Compiz community opinion on KDE4?

[enigma_0Z]

With KDE 4 coming out soon (20 or so days?), I was wondering what the Compiz & Compiz Fusion community assessment of the new WM?

Warning: the following text may be considered a rant, and is not meant to start a flame war--the comments may seem a bit irrational, so please respond rationally. Thanks

Personally, I've tried to use it and test it, but as of now (RC2), it royally sucks...

My laundry list:
1. Effects (minimize animation, etc) are not smooth at all
2. Poor integration with compiz (I suppose this will come later though)
3. Slow--very very slow
4. No way to move/remove the task bar
5. Taskbar does not play nice with compiz & minimizing
6. Compositor does not work very well--buggy and laggy

The only real positive thing I can say is that the widgets & titlebars look very slick w/ QT4, but this is more QT than KDE.

To be entirely honest, I am quite surprised that this is an release candidate--this is very uncharactaristic of the KDE team. This software (as of RC2) feels like there is no polish, no attention to detail, and in general feels very clumsy.

If KDE is really going this way, I may just switch to gnome... but what I really will miss is the menu system. Oh well, I suppose I should start shopping around.

[Deciare]

2. Poor integration with compiz (I suppose this will come later though)
Compiz favours Gtk+. ;) Gtk+ GUIs generally integrate poorly with KDE.
3. Slow--very very slow
Most of the slowness seems to come from Plasma and thumbnail generation. The rest of the system feels snappy to me, and it'll only get better once debugging is turned off for the release version.
4. No way to move/remove the task bar
This is possible, but there's no GUI for it yet.
5. Taskbar does not play nice with compiz & minimizing
Fixed in SVN.
6. Compositor does not work very well--buggy and laggy
Buggy how? KWin may not look as good as Compiz, but when something works, it does work.

The only real positive thing I can say is that the widgets & titlebars look very slick w/ QT4, but this is more QT than KDE.
Plasma and the Oxygen theme are quite decisively the works of KDE developers. ^_^

Also, it's Qt with a lowercase T! *nitpick* Trolltech officially pronounces Qt like the word "cute".

To be entirely honest, I am quite surprised that this is an release candidate--this is very uncharactaristic of the KDE team. This software (as of RC2) feels like there is no polish, no attention to detail, and in general feels very clumsy.

If KDE is really going this way, I may just switch to gnome... but what I really will miss is the menu system. Oh well, I suppose I should start shopping around.
Indeed. As significant an improvement as it is over RC1, it's no substitute for the KDE 3.5 series. Things are improving quickly, though--SVN's already in much better shape than RC2 was.

For instance, SVN already has a Kickoff replacement that looks and works almost exactly like the old K-menu. Except for the way menus are sorted... That's still weird.

What I miss most is a competent implementation of Gwenview. And Konqueror's context menu when viewing an image doesn't have a Save As link. The option to use square menus instead of rounded ones would be nice, too; Compiz doesn't shadow XShaped windows. Compiz doesn't shadow alpha-mapped windows, either. KWin shadows both kinds of windows. Grah!

You know how important I consider drop shadows, right? Quick, someone implement better drop shadows for Compiz before I become a KWin loyalist! ;)