Logo Discussion Thread - Round 2

[imnotpc]

Let's start a new discussion thread. My thoughts:

zootreeves - Same thoughts as before. I'd like to see some more abstract versions.

KRZYzaK - I really like this one. The blue-violet version on the left-bottom with the border is my favorite.

vdepizzol - It like the version with the grey background you posted on the polling thread.

some1else - I see good progress with this. I Like the 1.5 versions the best. Maybe try adding a pointer. The blue screen is also very good. I'd like to see a version with a smaller pointer.

Who - Personally I prefered some of your other designs over this one. On the cube, theme I like the idea of zootreeves first design with the box opening and the "magic" escaping.

[baze]

zootreeves - doesn't look modern enough, imho. it looks more like a placeholder until a good logo is found. that's my opinion of course ;)

KRZYzaK - not bad, but reminds me way too much of the ubuntu logo. for ubuntu users this might be sth good, but with this compiz would always seem to be a part of ubuntu to me. i don't like that, tbh.

vdepizzol - tango is the way to go, if you ask me, but the logo doesn't tell me anything about what it's for. nice coloring, but the logo doesn't really have a meaning to me.

some1else - what's the pointer for? i think the older versions looked better, but they were nothing special too. with this as a logo i'd never say "ah of course, that's the compiz logo." just too basic, nothing really original, imho.

Who - without the glow it would look like a mix of the old cube logo with a touch of tango guidelines. the glow is not good, imho. to me it's just the old cube with better drawing.

i know that one of those will become the official logo for compiz, but i don't think that any of them is a _great_ icon for compiz.
i don't want to say "all of them are bad" because then i should have entered the contest with a proposal of my own, which i don't have, it's just my point of view on the final logos in the contest.

[wfarr]

zootreeves - This has been a wonderful placeholder logo... but I think the time to move on is now. :)

KRZYzak - I really like this design. It's not _great_, but it's very far from bad. The only thing that worries me is that I think I've seen similar logos used by companies and such, so it feels a little ambiguous.

vdepizzol - I love the Tango Project to death, and while I appreciate the effort, that logo is insanely ambiguous - and logo clarity and meaning is an important part of icons for the Tango Project.

some1else - The best entry, imo. It is very clear, original, and recognizable. I can even sort of connect it to the Desktop in some way.

who - Alright. Nothing spectacular though.


I'd probably go in this order: some1else, KRZYzaK, and vdepizzol for top 3.

[Guest]

I'd be quite happy to withdraw my logo's from he competition. Compiz needs a new image and keeping the old logo would defiantly not be right for this.

vdepizzol my votes with your tango icon. My suggestion is that the explosion forks/glow should be reduced to make the logo a but smaller (at least transparent areas smaller).

KRZYzaK maybe make the arrows a but thinner.

some1else I like it but i think it looks too much like a generic logo (like something you would get off templatemonster or something), it needs more individuality.

[amgeex]

I still like some1else's logo. I have no further suggestions, although I'd like to see a mock up wiki design for it, or used as a desktop icon, etc. :D

Zootreeves, are you saying I should remove your logo's from the contest page?

[nzjrs]

KRZYzaK - Perhaps try a variation using the tango palette.

vdepizzol - I am not happy with how this icon looks at small sizes. Also I am not sure that the picture you have is a metaphor for compiz. What about adding a window border to the red thing for the large icon sizes?

some1else - Again I am not sure how well this would work at small sizes. Also you could try a small shadow at the base of the cube in the large icon sizes.

I would advise all icon authors to check out the Tango Icon Guidelines (http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Theme_Guidelines)

Keep up the awesome work!

[vdepizzol]

Thank you for all the comments.

I'll try to apply/test all the suggestions to the tango logo (http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8329/compizsplash2uh7.png) soon as possible.

About the small icons, It can looks good, just need more working time, that is hard these days...

I updated the logo description:Compiz logo following the Tango icon guidelines showing the powerful impact Compiz has on the desktop.

[KRZYzaK]

KRZYzaK - Perhaps try a variation using the tango palette.
But all colors in all versions are from tango palette. :)
I know tango _icon_ guidelines for a long time (and made some tango styled icons - example (http://pajak.ath.cx/tmp/unicom.png)).
Making a logo is a bit different than making an icon. In logo design only one thing really counts - keep it as simple as possible.

Maybe ask deviantart.com or digart.pl for logo contest. There's a lot of talented people and pro designers.

[stjepan]

vdepizzol, make a window, not 3d red desk. Then put the "sun" in the center of the window. An icon like this would look nice and would have a meaning.

[vdepizzol]

I did a lot of changes in the logo and created the icons in all sizes.

Now I think it's easier to understand the simbology of the logo.

What do you think now? :)

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/5520/compizredesignzv3.png

Thank you a lot.

@stjepan, I *really* tried to make a window, but it get too hard to understand.

[mikedee]

I think these are good, could we see a version without the glow, I think it would make it bolder and clearer at smaller resolutions.

BTW, I dont think we should be aiming to look too much like we fit with one DE/Distro. Personally I would like compiz to replace kwin and metacity and I think that our 'look and feel' should reflect that we are neutral.

[stjepan]

Wow, this looks great now!

The only ugly thing is the glow.
Keep the glow as-is, only reduce it at smaller sizes.

[julio]

I think the vdepizzol's logo following tango rules is becoming quite good.
Is it me or is the sphere a bit too much on the left ?
Could we see a version with fewer light rays ? Or a bit less sharp light rays ? Or bigger sphere and a glow without light rays ?
For me it looks a bit like pointy hair ;)
Keep it simple they say ;)

[wfarr]

vdepizzol - That is phenomenal! :O

If you could add a slight shadow under the desktop, I'd definitely throw my support behind your logo!

[vdepizzol]

Thank you! =)

I just forgot to select the shadow when I was going to render the picture above... see the image in http://www.go-compiz.org/index.php?title=Contest .

It already has shadow :)

[stjepan]

[quote="julio"]Is it me or is the sphere a bit too much on the left? /quote]Yes, really.

[Guest]

I've withdrawn my logo's from the compiz, I think it would be a bad idea to keep the red cube logo (not that it's got any chance of winning :) )

vdepizzol, perfect now I really hope this one wins.

[wfarr]

vdepizzol, perfect now I really hope this one wins.

As do I, for the moment.

It's currently my avatar over on ubuntuforums! :P

[vdepizzol]

Thank you for all the comments!

Is it me or is the sphere a bit too much on the left?

Sphere position now is correct :) (not in the forum image yet, sorry)

[lagorgy]

i'm really starting to like ur proposal, but i would change the colors. Colors are very important in human psychology and each has a meaning and different impact on people. The meaning of the colors is often used for merchandising proposes, maybe u should take a look at these:

http://desktoppub.about.com/cs/color/a/symbolism.htm
http://desktoppub.about.com/cs/colorselection/p/blue.htm
http://www.color-wheel-pro.com/color-meaning.html


just a suggestion ;)

[KRZYzaK]

Nothing personal vdepizzol but I think compiz need something more than red user-desktop.svg (http://tango.freedesktop.org/static/cvs/tango-icon-theme/scalable/places/user-desktop.svg) from tango icons with glowing sphere. In fact I think compiz deserves something much better than all four logos that are in final poll.

[lagorgy]

I think compiz deserves something much better than all four logos that are in final poll.

i kind of agree with u... compiz deserves a very very cool logo

[stjepan]

Nothing personal vdepizzol but I think compiz need something more than red user-desktop.svg (http://tango.freedesktop.org/static/cvs/tango-icon-theme/scalable/places/user-desktop.svg) from tango icons with glowing sphere. In fact I think compiz deserves something much better than all four logos that are in final poll.

user-desktop.svg+glow makes it very recognizable, doesn't it? I didn't know what's the 3d red rectangle until vdepizzol added "user-desktop".
The logo must be cool, but also recognizable and must have a meaning. With a sphere/sun on the desktop you know immediately what it means.

The Tango icon theme's goal is to make applications not seem alien on any desktop.

A good example is OSX vs Tango:

http://pix.nofrag.com/08/c8/cb077210c2d3cea0c6088f64a0b6.jpeg (http://pix.nofrag.com/08/c8/cb077210c2d3cea0c6088f64a0b6.html)http://pix.nofrag.com/f1/38/ab9b846494989c237d170e8101ec.jpeg (http://pix.nofrag.com/f1/38/ab9b846494989c237d170e8101ec.html)
http://pix.nofrag.com/bd/2c/3bfecd11cbb350e3f5a069139e72.jpeg (http://pix.nofrag.com/bd/2c/3bfecd11cbb350e3f5a069139e72.html)http://pix.nofrag.com/db/09/5ce6ed7accd48617a5996ec74d59.jpeg (http://pix.nofrag.com/db/09/5ce6ed7accd48617a5996ec74d59.html)

I didn''t know what's that first "test.html" icon until I zoomed with zoom plugin. (thanks, Compiz)
Don't get me wrong, coolness is good, but not when it reduces recognizability. And vdepizzol's icon did great job at both sides.

[davidr]

I prefer KRZYzaK's logo. I like it's simplicity, great logos are always simple. Problem would be that it might be similar to other logos, like the ubuntu logo but I didn't notice that until someone told me. The similarity would be that they are both circular and can be split up in three equally shaped pieces. Don't know if that's too much but I bet there are hundreds of logos with those qualities out there.

I don't think a logo should be designed with a specific icon theme or color palette in mind. I think it should be a simple recognizable shape that can be adjusted to use any color palette and fit into any icon theme. A tangofied version of whatever logo we choose should be made to work with the tango icon theme. I don't want us to be stuck with a logo that will only work as part of tango.

vdepizzol's logo looks nice but I'd rather see it be used as a general desktop effects logo in a control panel than as the compiz logo.

some1else's logo would be my second choice but I reckon that KRZYzaK's is by far the best "logo" in this contest.

[stjepan]

Hi, David! Glad to see you here.

I prefer KRZYzaK's logo. I like it's simplicity, great logos are always simple. Problem would be that it might be similar to other logos, like the ubuntu logo but I didn't notice that until someone told me. The similarity would be that they are both circular and can be split up in three equally shaped pieces. Don't know if that's too much but I bet there are hundreds of logos with those qualities out there.

Yes, the problem is that too many logos look like this one. It always reminds me at ubuntu. New Linux users may think Compiz is for ubuntu only.

I don't think a logo should be designed with a specific icon theme or color palette in mind. I think it should be a simple recognizable shape that can be adjusted to use any color palette and fit into any icon theme. A tangofied version of whatever logo we choose should be made to work with the tango icon theme.
I don't want us to be stuck with a logo that will only work as part of tango.

It's very tangoish, but I don't see why it wouldn't look with other icon themes. A part of it is the recognizable tangoish desktop icon and that's only borrowed from Tango. I like that desktop icon because it's neat and simple.

vdepizzol's logo looks nice but I'd rather see it be used as a general desktop effects logo in a control panel than as the compiz logo.

Hmm probably just your opinion, but I think it would be good as both general icon and logo.

My other favorite is some1else's icon.

Just my 2 cents...

[wfarr]

I never did really get the parallel between the three arrows and Ubuntu. Sure, if you conscsiously _think_ about it, you can see it. But I had to look hard to see it.

[baze]

maybe it's the coloring of the red/orange version, but it made me think of the ubuntu logo right away.

[vdepizzol]

Compiz tango logo doesn't looks good in big sizes, because it uses strained lines from 48x48 size.

Seeing jimmac's Tango high res tests (http://jimmac.musichall.cz/stuff/tango-highres.png), I created bigger sizes of compiz logo too.

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/2484/compiz128bf0.png
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/9766/compiz256sg5.png

Too see all sizes, visit http://vdepizzol.wordpress.com/2006/12/28/compiz-logo-contest-round-2/

PS: I have to fix the shadow, using real blur (but I need to upgrade my Inkscape first :).

[Who]

I like KRZYzaK's logo a lot, but I think the things David has said about ti being too similar to other logos do present a real problem - look, for example, at
http://unity3d.com/
unity uses this logo:
http://unity3d.com/images/radical/big-unity-logo.png

I think some1else's logo has a _very_ professional clean ring to it, but doesn't convey what compiz does too clearly - perhaps that isn't a problem

vdepizzol: I like this logo, but I'm not sure about the ball on top - have you played around with some of the ideas like wands or windows? (like I did very quickly here: http://mailforwho.googlepages.com/allcompizlogos) - or even perhaps some kind of arrow or cube?

What are the rules of this round? How much can I change my current submission? Did anyone like the cube of windows?

[baze]

it's just an idea, but how about using the tango "logo" as an icon for compiz-settings instead of using it as the logo for tango?
http://forum.go-compiz.org/viewtopic.php?t=153

[stalynx]

I really think some1else's is by far the best. It's simple, clean and elegant. KRZYzaK's reminds me of the Olympics while vdepizzol's is dissonant in shape and form.

[Raideiin]

congratulations vdepizzol, your second version is much better than the first one. Now the meaning of your logo is much more understandable. (But I've to confess it: i still prefere some1else's logo :P)
Anyway it seems to me that the sphere is not completely centered on the desktop icon you used... is it true or my eyes are completely bad?
Check it out!

Second versions of every logo is better than the first one, now i'm not worried about the visual impact of compiz icons anymore... every proposition is now interesting and potentially usable.

Congratulations!

Raideiin

[RYX]

Hi everybody!

First, I apologize for joining this discussion so late. :oops:

I really prefer KRZYzaK's logo because it is simple and elegant - I really don't see any similarities with the Olympics or the Ubuntu-logo. KRZYzaK's version caused me to not post my own logo (the blue onion) because I liked his version more than mine. Vdepizzol's logo looks way too colored and overloaded to me, it has no real significance and is only a rather uncreative combination of primitive shapes (sorry for being so honest but that's my impression). Some1else's logo looks like a tango'ified box of a software-product with an ugly arrow on it and looks a little boring ... So to me the only real 'logo' among the remaining four choices is KRZYzaK's. Who's logo is the traditional logo but not what I expected as the new one.

Edit: After re-reading this post, I have to say sorry for being a little rude. I thank everyone who took/takes part in the contest and don't want to criticize anyone supporting the project only because of my personal taste.

:)

[House]

hey guys

I would definitely go for the tango icon by vdepizzol.
I think its just the cleanest icon and its very nice to look at.
plus, it fits nicely into a modern gnome-tango oriented environment

great work vdepizzol!

[leks]

I gotta agree with House here, dont let Compiz get another Beryl which doesnt fit in like anywhere. Go for (Tango-)Consistency!

And while the Icon itself doesnt have too much meaning, its shiny, just as Compiz and thats where they match I think.

Great Work

[nzjrs]

And while the Icon itself doesnt have too much meaning, its shiny, just as Compiz and thats where they match I think.

Isnt that contradictory to the Tango icon guidelines?

[stjepan]

And while the Icon itself doesnt have too much meaning, its shiny, just as Compiz and thats where they match I think.

Isnt that contradictory to the Tango icon guidelines?Yes, it's shiny, but not too much. The icon respects Tango icon guidelines.

[nzjrs]

And while the Icon itself doesnt have too much meaning, its shiny, just as Compiz and thats where they match I think.

Isnt that contradictory to the Tango icon guidelines?Yes, it's shiny, but not too much. The icon respects Tango icon guidelines.

Sorry I was referring to while the Icon itself doesnt have too much meaning not the shiny part (which does adhere)