CompComm has a real name! "Compiz Fusion"

[onestone]

Our previous attempts to select a project name have not gone well. We tried a poll but the names in the poll were not pre-qualified to determine if they were usable and the “winning” name was also a strongly disliked name. Kristian and Jeff each proposed a plan to select a name, but that effort got sidetracked by a massive flame war on the mailing list.

While our community has some democratic features, ultimately it is a meritocracy and the people who contribute the most value have the most say. So in the end a decision was made by the majority of the people who have contributed the most.

That doesn't mean that all the discussion was wasted. In fact the chosen name wasn't proposed by any of the leaders, but was proposed in one of the naming threads (michael.krog's post was the first place I saw it). It was immediately popular and received very few negative comments.

We are pleased to announce that the chosen name of our project and community is:

Compiz Fusion

For the record, the following developers and admins either participated in and supported the selection process (not all voted yes), or have stated their support for the name:

David Reveman, Erkin Bahceci (cornelius), Guillaume Seguin (iXce), Dennis Kasprzyk (onestone), Jigish Gohil (cyberorg), Danny Baumann (maniac), Patrick Niklaus (marex), Roi Cohen (roico), Alex Heck (nesl247), Robert Carr (racarr), Kristian Lyngstøl (kristianLy), Rico Pfaus (RYX) (conditional), Quinn Storm (QuinnStorm) and Jeffrey Laramie (imnotpc).

[schoeggu]

hmm i probably need some time to get used to that name.. but the name isn't too important for me, its the good programm that makes the name famous, not the name that makes the program famous, so i think it's good to finally have name and end all the name discussions.
now i can proudly say: "I'm a Compiz Fusion user" :D

[shame]

Aw, I didn't get a mention for coming up with Fusion <boo hoo>

[Forlong]

I'd like to post those two pictures (again) that I think would be cool for later artwork/logo:
http://mitglied.lycos.de/Forlong/gtm/fusion.png
http://mitglied.lycos.de/Forlong/gtm/fusion2.png
(especially the first one)

[Forlong]

For whatever reason, you can't easily post a comment to the [url=http://forums.opencompositing.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=825:3c8b3]announcement[/url:3c8b3].
So here's an open discussion for everyone. :)


I'll just quote myself from the [url=http://forums.opencompositing.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=478&p=3534&hilit=Fusion#p3534:3c8b3]proposal thread[/url:3c8b3]:
Fusion - nice one. Even besides the meaning behind that. A lot of cool artwork comes to mind. Like the [url=http://mitglied.lycos.de/Forlong/gtm/fusion.png:3c8b3]this[/url:3c8b3] and [url=http://mitglied.lycos.de/Forlong/gtm/fusion2.png:3c8b3]this[/url:3c8b3] (from Spider-Man 2)
Although I think it's not the best of the suggestions we had, it's quite awesome. :D


edit: argh, now my reply to the announcement got "approved" but I can't edit it. Stupid BBCode :x :D

[delfick]

cool :D

now i'm a compiz user who utilises the compiz fusion packages :D

[delfick]

i have my reasons for not liking it.....but i'll live, and it seems alright

compiz fusion packages FTW!! :D

(just a note to people, when you show people this stuff, you're using compiz, along with the compiz fusion packages, not compiz fusion on it's own :D)

I think that distinction should be made clear :D

[darkhack]

Well, I've been searching for name for the community and now it end. Hmmm, "compiz fusion" seem like I came close to that name from my recent post when I suggested "fusioncomposite".

Anyway, "compiz fustion" ant bad name, but I hope everyone else agree with it.

I'd like to post those two pictures (again (http://forums.opencompositing.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=478&p=3534&hilit=Fusion#p3534)) that would be cool for artwork/logo:
http://mitglied.lycos.de/Forlong/gtm/fusion.png
http://mitglied.lycos.de/Forlong/gtm/fusion2.png
(especially the first one)

I think the second link of an image can be a great idea for a logo if someone can work on the art.

[darkhack]

Hopefully I'm allow to post this new topic dealing with project new name which recently just announces this morning will be "Compiz Fusion".It seem like I came close or maybe someone else too in naming this when I suggested "fusioncomposite" from my recent post. The name "Compiz Fusion" doesn't seem bad at all, but how does everyone else feel about this name?

[boteeka]

This is the best news of the week so far. It seems like the different parties have finally agreed that the project itself is more important than its name. After the whole flamewar that has been going on the ML it is quite a laudable decision to have a name.

Let me congratulate both parties, and maybe we can stop talking about two parties and focus on a single project and a single community around it.

Go conquer the desktop, Compiz Fusion :-).

(BTW, it is a good name ;-) )

[linksan]

My first fusion wall!

1600x1200

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/58021578/

Btw, There should be a art section for wallpapers/icons/logos etc.

[rememo]

Exactly delfick.
Allthough I think the distinction won't become this clear to everyone. I was baffled that even the ubuntu development manager Scott James Remnant didn't get the difference. This is from his announcement for gutsy gibbon features made yesterday (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubunt ... 00304.html (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-June/000304.html)).

[quote:e7f34]
We are aiming for Ubuntu to be one of the first distributions to ship
the newly merged Compiz and Beryl projects (compcomm/OpenCompositing);
and enable it as the default window manager on systems with a supported
combination of hardware and drivers.
[/quote:e7f34]

*lol*, seems like everybody thinks compcomm (now compiz fusion) is the new window manager. However, one can't blame him for this, it's not easy to get the facts right in all this *fork/merge-confusion* ;-)

I really hope that the new compiz-fusion does better than the old beryl-project in giving proper information.

/rant end

[nesl247]

Merged 2 "What do you think of the new name" type of posts. - You can now post here, I fixed the permissions.

[xplode_me]

http://digg.com/linux_unix/Compcomm_aka ... piz_Fusion (http://digg.com/linux_unix/Compcomm_aka_beryl_compiz_final_name_Compiz_Fusion )

Digg it!

[bellomo]

ok guys i can understand that at the end of the story it make sense that the more one contribute to the project the more he can influence the name decision, but Compiz Fusion ? What does it mean ? it could well remain Compiz. Why not Coral ? This was a real fusion of Compiz+Beryl. But ok as one said: before came things and only after names ...

Good luck to the project ! It's amazing !! (Even if my last ubuntu update doesn't work ...)

[Forlong]

Merged 2 "What do you think of the new name" type of posts. - You can now post here, I fixed the permissions.
Ah, thanks!
Although now some postings don't make sense, since they're all mixed up.
Whatever... just have a look at the heading :)

/me off to finally edit his posting :D


P.S. yeah, I guess we have a lot of correction to do in the next days... the replies over at digg also have it wrong.

[shame]

ok guys i can understand that at the end of the story it make sense that the more one contribute to the project the more he can influence the name decision, but Compiz Fusion ? What does it mean ? it could well remain Compiz. Why not Coral ? This was a real fusion of Compiz+Beryl. But ok as one said: before came things and only after names ...

Good luck to the project ! It's amazing !! (Even if my last ubuntu update doesn't work ...)

It was said that there would definitely be no merging of compiz/beryl names, ruling out coral amongst others.
I think the idea of Compiz Fusion was the fusing together of plugins, decorators, settings managers etc point of view, rather than the fusing of compiz and beryl.
Someone pointed out that infusion would be a better description but to me infusion would imply something being absorbed (ie beryl being absorbed by compiz).

I think compiz fusion is a great name and now it's finally been decided I would hope people would embrace the project and name and not start nitpicking or asking why others weren't chosen.
There is no way a name could be chosen that would suit 100% of people.

[RYX]

Let me congratulate both parties, and maybe we can stop talking about two parties and focus on a single project and a single community around it.
Well said :D ...

(btw: I like to name, too :) ...)

[kwaanens]

Why not Coral ? This was a real fusion of Compiz+Beryl.

The point is that the name Compiz was never supposed to be removed. A whole (more or less) "name"-thread really, really didn't get that...

- Ketil

[njpatel]

Congratulations guys, rock on!

--Neil

[euxneks]

good job, I like it.

[joeyjwc]

Fusion's not a bad name, IMHO. It was my second choice by far. I didn't really like Coral.

One could also theoretically make a few images with this kind of idea as well:
http://jlnlabs.imars.com/cfr/images/hpcfr2s.jpg

Incandescence in a beaker = very cool effect!

If I have time next week, I'll see if I can whip up some of my humble ideas. I'll probably just do it in the GIMP since I haven't used POV-RAY software in a long time...

[verb3k]

Fusion is was my first choice in the poll ^_^

Finally the communities unite under one , and only one , flag

_- Compiz Fusion -_

BigTime Name :P
I am really happy for the project and community :D

[arthur_kalm]

w00t. This is a good day :). I love the name! Lets move forward to make Compiz Fusion the best desktop experience! (and get packages out and fix bugs (cause it doesn't really work for me :( ))

[sonicbhoc]

Here is my 5 min gimp proposal.

[url=http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=compizfusionlogotest1oz9.png:6a94d]http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/9763/compizfusionlogotest1oz9.th.png[/url:6a94d]

Not bad, huh? It's onestone's "5 min" proposal. Pretty awesome for only 5 minutes, huh?

[darkmaster]

Here is my 5 min gimp proposal.

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/9763/compizfusionlogotest1oz9.th.png[/url:98b9b]

Not bad, huh? It's onestone's "5 min" proposal. Pretty awesome for only 5 minutes, huh?

Wooooah! It's great! I like it! How can we take this in real consideration??
I absolutely hate the name, as you know, for several reasons I already expressed before. Honestly, I think that there would have been very few ways in which the name chosen could have been worst. It is a real shame for the entire community, really, specially since the other bigs around has choosen a real name. A good one.

Anyway, this is just my opinion, you can read it here:

[url="http://forums.opencompositing.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=559&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=310#p4905"]viewtopic.php?f=46&t=559&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=310#p4905 (http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=compizfusionlogotest1oz9.png:98b9b)

if you're interested. Now these are just useless words spread to the wind since not a lot of people seems to have gotten the point. Now the name is settled and it is Fusion. I won't mention anymore my dislikes about this name, the problem for me ends here. I'm very frustrated about the whole thing and surely am deluded by this choice but since everyone else just seems to be OK with any name... I'll just stay in silence.
Let's not start a flame about this too, eh!!! This is just my point even if I'm absolutely sure this is a right point.

As for the logo proposal, wow, it really is nice! It kinda make the pseudo compiz logo look good! ;P

[shame]

Your previous concerns for being against Fusion seemed to point to the idea of Fusion being to do with the merge.
Like I've been saying for a while, Fusion should be seen as a Fusion of plugins, settings managers and decorators etc, NOT a fusion of compiz and beryl.

I think it would be ideal for people who know about the past history to try to forget the bad connotations of the name and as far as new users are concerned they will never see the Fusion name in that way.

[darkmaster]

Your previous concerns for being against Fusion seemed to point to the idea of Fusion being to do with the merge.
Like I've been saying for a while, Fusion should be seen as a Fusion of plugins, settings managers and decorators etc, NOT a fusion of compiz and beryl.

I think it would be ideal for people who know about the past history to try to forget the bad connotations of the name and as far as new users are concerned they will never see the Fusion name in that way.

Sorry Shame, the name is ambiguous, you can't do anything about it. But as I said, even if I have my thoughts, I'll stop this concerns and just relax with my cool desktop... even if marketing and all the other things should have been taken in consideration. They where not. I'll live with this.
Plus, I thought that Fusion couldn't lead to any brand/logo but that was because I was focused on my idea of what it meant.The various proposals proved that there can a logo of some kind and that the idea of a nuclear fusion can be used. So this is going to go the FIRE side of the desktop (Aqua, Aero, Plasma...) and it isn't bad.

New comers will not imagine what Fusion could mean, so, relax and remember: in a few months nobody will ever be concerned again about the Beryl/Compiz war... or I hope so. It would be nice if Blogs like pollycoke could stop denigrating Beryl for this reason. But in the latest posts, Felipe did nothing but saying how bad stated the Beryl configurator was and so on.... I think people should really stop talking about the past and Beryl and COmpiz and this was cool but this is better and on and on....

You know what? The problem in this name is that it will always remember to a lot of people about the past. That there has been a Fusion. I know that you didn't mean it that way but that's the way it looks like... sorry :(

[delfick]

just a little note ...... i think people should stop looking so hard for the meaning of the name "compiz fusion", and rather just create an association for the name (there is a difference :D).....

:D

[verb3k]

I see Fusion as a scene of a beautiful melting metal , that's really pretty :D
Not anything else !

[Vodkaneat]

Compiz Fusion - W'hey :D

[TualatriX]

Well, Although I don't like this name, but I will always support Compiz Fusion, I love Beryl and Compiz, and the future of Fusion!

[ferri]

Compiz + Beryl = Compiz Fusion = confusion
:P

[shame]

What's confusing? Forget beryl now. It's simply compiz+compiz fusion=eyecandy extreme

[imported_andrea]

Ok you have made a bad choice, Compiz Fusion is NOT a good name, it will be hard to have a logo as pure as the one of beryl was.
But anyways, this is just an alias for the compiz-plugins package so nobody cares.

Oh and move all this crap to compiz.org before it gets too ridiculous.

NOW I WANT MY DAMN PACKAGES.

[chaosgeisterchen]

Nice, nice, we finally agreed on a name. Even with me not supporting "compiz fusion" right from the start (I still do not do), it's highly acceptable and I am looking forward to doing proper progress.

[daedius]

Fusion powered X Windows, FTW!

I could personally live without the "Compiz" prefix. ^^ Personally, I kinda feel a little baited and switched with my vote. But hey, whatcha gonna do.

[Decline]

I agree that it could be just "Fusion", with the Compiz prefix it looka as if Compiz won the battleing with Beryl :?

Anyway, Fusion, with or without Compiz - it's a nice name.

"Comfusion" could have been an alternative, I think it's funny, but....you know 8-)

[guix]

Hi, I just want to congratulate everybody for the successfull fusion of Compiz and Beryl, you guys have all my respect both for what you're developping and for your team spirit.

[kwaanens]

I agree that it could be just "Fusion", with the Compiz prefix it looka as if Compiz won the battleing with Beryl :?

The Beryl folks merged back with Compiz. There was *never* a plan to ditch the Compiz name!
And this thing was handled right in the end. Making the name is a job for the developers that work, unpaid, to give us this great stuff!

[shame]

But the fact is you ARE using compiz when using compiz fusion so why be so against having the compiz name?

[delfick]

why do people have to be so analytical of the name :P :D

[daedius]

[quote:1d070]But the fact is you ARE using compiz when using compiz fusion so why be so against having the compiz name?[/quote:1d070]

Because I voted for "Fusion" (Not "Compiz Fusion") ^^ And I'd have rather it just been called "Compiz" and not some abominal forced together joining of two words in hopes to ameliorate any disdain of losing the really great "Beryl" name (IMHO).

[daedius]

[quote:87b69]why do people have to be so analytical of the name[/quote:87b69]

Because names are power. I'm going to feel awkward reading "Compiz Fusion" in my Digg articles now because of this, and even more so when I go to try to explain what this project is I use on my machine.

Nevertheless, i am more happy people are working together than anything else. Its my hopes that the same person who made the Beryl site so pretty and trendy will help out Fusion.

[mahler]

[quote:75b74]why do people have to be so analytical of the name
Because names are power. I'm going to feel awkward reading "Compiz Fusion" in my Digg articles now because of this, and even more so when I go to try to explain what this project is I use on my machine. Nevertheless, i am more happy people are working together than anything else. Its my hopes that the same person who made the Beryl site so pretty and trendy will help out Fusion.[/quote:75b74]Hi Daeduis,

Is the relation between Compiz Core & Compiz Fusion similar to that of Red Hat Enterprise Linux & Fedora in which the Fedora project gets all the newest features and the RHEL distribution expands upon that and makes it more stable and better for production environments?

Or is the relationship more like Linux & Ubuntu (Linux) in which Ubuntu is built on top of a core project which needs to be very stable. But Ubuntu can make changes to this core if they like.

Or different?

[coffeetime]

Hmmm,just a question? Why is in the name "Compiz" ?? What's wrong with "Beryl" ? Personally I think Beryl is much much nicer name than compiz. Why do you want to change it? Plus , this site is confusing. Beryl forum was great.
So what is now?
Compiz-->Compiz Fusion ?
Bery-->Compiz Fusion ? :roll:

[kwaanens]

[quote:a13a4]why do people have to be so analytical of the name
Because names are power. I'm going to feel awkward reading "Compiz Fusion" in my Digg articles now because of this, and even more so when I go to try to explain what this project is I use on my machine. Nevertheless, i am more happy people are working together than anything else. Its my hopes that the same person who made the Beryl site so pretty and trendy will help out Fusion.Hi Daeduis,

Is the relation between Compiz Core & Compiz Fusion similar to that of Red Hat Enterprise Linux & Fedora in which the Fedora project gets all the newest features and the RHEL distribution expands upon that and makes it more stable and better for production environments?

Or is the relationship more like Linux & Ubuntu (Linux) in which Ubuntu is built on top of a core project which needs to be very stable. But Ubuntu can make changes to this core if they like.

Or different?[/quote:a13a4]

It would be the Linux & Ubuntu one, if there has to be one of those. Compiz Fusion runs on top of Compiz. Compiz alone would do nothing, and Compiz Fusion without Compiz would not give you any eye candy.

- Ketil

[coffeetime]

This forum is total mess. I can't find nothing anymore. I've hardly found my post , damn. Here is everything confused.
So, I'm running beryl 0.2.0 . In the future where shall I look for beryl,or,compiz,or,compiz-fusion,or..... I'm lost. What now , is Beryl dead? Can somebody please explain me.
Thanx

[Jupiter]

This forum is total mess. I can't find nothing anymore. I've hardly found my post , damn. Here is everything confused.
So, I'm running beryl 0.2.0 . In the future where shall I look for beryl,or,compiz,or,compiz-fusion,or..... I'm lost. What now , is Beryl dead? Can somebody please explain me.
Thanx
What is a mess? The search feature works. Easy to find your own threads by clicking
"View Your Post" on the front page. Every section has a descriptive title. There is a
section well defined named Beryl. What is so hard about finding the only section
that is labeled Beryl? Beryl is not dead. It is no longer being developed though. The
new merged project "Compiz-Fusion" is being worked on.

[coffeetime]

This forum is total mess. I can't find nothing anymore. I've hardly found my post , damn. Here is everything confused.
So, I'm running beryl 0.2.0 . In the future where shall I look for beryl,or,compiz,or,compiz-fusion,or..... I'm lost. What now , is Beryl dead? Can somebody please explain me.
Thanx
What is a mess? The search feature works. Easy to find your own threads by clicking
"View Your Post" on the front page. Every section has a descriptive title. There is a
section well defined named Beryl. What is so hard about finding the only section
that is labeled Beryl? Beryl is not dead. It is no longer being developed though. The
new merged project "Compiz-Fusion" is being worked on.

Thanx Jupiter. I said this , cause first I was on the "old" Beryl forum than I came here and with the first look everything was strange.I mean not nice for the eye if you know what I mean. Yes, I've found Beryl section on the forum. So sooner or later beryl will disappear and we'll have to switch to compiz-fusion or...?

[Jupiter]

Thanx Jupiter. I said this , cause first I was on the "old" Beryl forum than I came here and with the first look everything was strange.I mean not nice for the eye if you know what I mean. Yes, I've found Beryl section on the forum. So sooner or later beryl will disappear and we'll have to switch to compiz-fusion or...?
Yes that is correct. I must admit it was a bit disorienting to me as well when i changed over.
As we get the new merged project domain/forum all figured out, we will have to adjust again.
I know this kinda sucks. But in the end we will finally have a permanent home and a new face.

[delfick]

just to clarify, there is no more compiz extra or beryl, that is the past and there is no point in making comparisons to them with the current situation :D

if you choose to stop using beryl and move to the latest code (when you do that is completely up to you, gotta love a free world :D) you will be using compiz as your window manager

then the compiz fusion packages will enhance the compiz window manager,(as in most of the plugins, the settings system, the settings manager, and other random things)

:D

as for the forum, discussions are still ongoing.....

[Suzuran]

Finally! Since upgrading Ubuntu I've just been hanging back using the included Compiz and waiting for all this to get sorted out. Now that we have a name, I'll hopefully get a chance to start using the Compiz Fusion. Now we just need a "stable" release and then we can start trying to get this into distributions' repositories.

[Jupiter]

Finally! Since upgrading Ubuntu I've just been hanging back using the included Compiz and waiting for all this to get sorted out. Now that we have a name, I'll hopefully get a chance to start using the Compiz Fusion. Now we just need a "stable" release and then we can start trying to get this into distributions' repositories.
I've read that compiz-fusion will be included with Ubuntu Gutsy

[alexvoda]

Desktop Window Manager (abbreviated DWM) is the Windows equivalent of Quartz Compositor on the Mac.
And Aero is the equivalent of Aqua.
DirectX is the equivalent of OpenGL
But What is the name of the open source X based equivalents of the 2.
Point: i think Compiz Fusion is a good name for a equivalent of DWM and QC but
even if i have no authority I strongly sugest that the name of the equivalent of Aqua/Aero have some fire or earth connotation.
It would help a lot in making the software world clear.
Ohhh... and by the way, what is the name of the Win and POSIX equiv. of Core Tech. from Apple?

[Deciare]

Aero and Aqua aren't only references to the graphical user interface, but to the "user experience". It's the whole package--fancy effects, icons, widget themes, menu structures, button placement, common dialogues, the file management paradigm, hardware detection and integration, application and system management--the feel of using the features presented by the user interface, taken as a whole package.

Aero and Aqua are way beyond the scope of a window manager, a desktop environment, or an X server. They're more analogous to a whole Linux distribution (i.e. Ubuntu's custom config tools, installer, icon set, widget theme, UI patches, consistent branding, etc.) than to any one aspect of a distribution.

Because of the way Free software is designed, with many interchangeable components and freely modifiable source code, it's extremely unusual to see a uniquely packaged and instantly recognisable "user experience" where it feels like every component was designed from the ground up to work and fit with each other. KDE 4 is trying very hard to become something like a user experience (with consistent user interface design guidelines, a single toolkit that does everything from data processing to 3D rendering, theme design guidelines, a hardware support infrastructure, a multimedia infrastructure, a comprehensive set of portable libraries and development tools, tons of embeddable/reusable components, etc.)... We'll see where that goes.

[Quattro]

Aero and Aqua aren't only references to the graphical user interface, but to the "user experience". It's the whole package--fancy effects, icons, widget themes, menu structures, button placement, common dialogues, the file management paradigm, hardware detection and integration, application and system management--the feel of using the features presented by the user interface, taken as a whole package.

Aero and Aqua are way beyond the scope of a window manager, a desktop environment, or an X server. They're more analogous to a whole Linux distribution (i.e. Ubuntu's custom config tools, installer, icon set, widget theme, UI patches, consistent branding, etc.) than to any one aspect of a distribution.

Because of the way Free software is designed, with many interchangeable components and freely modifiable source code, it's extremely unusual to see a uniquely packaged and instantly recognisable "user experience" where it feels like every component was designed from the ground up to work and fit with each other. KDE 4 is trying very hard to become something like a user experience (with consistent user interface design guidelines, a single toolkit that does everything from data processing to 3D rendering, theme design guidelines, a hardware support infrastructure, a multimedia infrastructure, a comprehensive set of portable libraries and development tools, tons of embeddable/reusable components, etc.)... We'll see where that goes.

most of the time i don't like "standardized user-experiences", i like it way more when i can change the graphical interface myself.
Gnome already tries to implement a standard on the Human Interface Design.

[mahler]

http://forums.opencompositing.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=835&p=8569#p8550[/url:4ba5b]
"compiz-core": the name of "compiz" is "compiz" and not "compiz-core", live with it.
"compiz-fusion": it is a collection of plug-ins for compiz, it doesn't have to be launched, so it doesn't need any application icon, only a [u]logo.

I thought the following were two different applications.

Compiz

compiz-core (stable)[/*:4ba5b]
compiz-plugins[/*:4ba5b]
Official Website: http://www.compiz.org[/*:4ba5b]


(Compiz) Fusion

compiz-core (unstable/dev)[/*:4ba5b]
compiz-plugins[/*:4ba5b]
compiz-fusion[/*:4ba5b]
Official Website: http://www.opencompositing.org (for now)[/*:4ba5b]


Both are diffrerent applications and hence, need separate application icons.

[delfick]

let me just quickly correct that, as i did in the artwork contest thread

"compiz-core": the name of "compiz" is "compiz" and not "compiz-core", live with it.
"compiz-fusion": it is a collection of plug-ins for compiz, it doesn't have to be launched, so it doesn't need any application icon, only a logo.

I thought the following were two different applications.

Compiz

compiz-core (stable)[/*:d8f64]
compiz-plugins[/*:d8f64]


(Compiz) Fusion

compiz-core (unstable/dev)[/*:d8f64]
compiz-plugins[/*:d8f64]
compiz-fusion[/*:d8f64]

Both are diffrerent applications and hence, need separate application icons.

wrong!!!!! :D

compiz fusion does not include compiz core, it is seperate to compiz core

there are two things to our window manager, the core, which is compiz, and everything else that extends it, which is compiz fusion

when you start your window manager, you start compiz, you don't start compiz fusion....

[mahler]

let me just quickly correct that, as i did in the artwork contest thread
wrong!!!!! :D
compiz fusion does not include compiz core, it is seperate to compiz core
there are two things to our window manager, the core, which is compiz, and everything else that extends it, which is compiz fusion
when you start your window manager, you start compiz, you don't start compiz fusion....

So there's always one release:

Compiz (official website: http://www.compiz.org)

compiz-core (stable)[/*:m:39526]
compiz-plugins[/*:m:39526]
compiz-fusion* (official website: http://www.opencompositing.org)[/*:m:39526]
* optional

Which means: Including compiz-fusion does not require any changes in the Compiz installation...

So there's a separate icon-set & logo for Compiz ... then why ask for a special compiz-fusion logo?
Why can't there just be an extra forum on the [url=http://www.compiz.org:39526]Compiz[/url:39526] website especially for compiz-fusion and be done with it?

[shame]

When put like that then maybe compiz fusion doesn't need a different logo after all, since a different logo WOULD lead to ideas of compiz and compiz fusion being separate apps/projects?

Incidentally, although I was the one who first suggested fusion and I was really getting behind the compiz fusion name, now it's been around a couple of weeks I don't really like it anymore :roll:
Ah well.

[delfick]

before i reply further i will point out what i say here is not official, i am not part of the dev or support teams, but i do read the ML and i have been a very involved user since compiz quinnstorm

So there's always one release:

Compiz (official website: http://www.compiz.org)

compiz-core (stable)[/*:m:17239]
compiz-plugins[/*:m:17239]
compiz-fusion* (official website: http://www.opencompositing.org)[/*:m:17239]
* optional


afaik, compiz and compiz fusion will be released seperately but in syncwith each other, i don't know much about what's gonna happen there, i'm sure time will tell (or a dev or support person visiting this thread :P)

also there is gonna be one site at compiz.org (or compiz-fusion.org, one of the two)

and opencompositing will either exist as a project completely seperate to compiz and compiz fusion or dissapear (again not 100% sure what's happening there)

[quote:17239]Which means: Including compiz-fusion does not require any changes in the Compiz installation...[/quote:17239]

no

compiz fusion doesn't change compiz itself (afaik) rather extends it...

[quote:17239]So there's a separate icon-set & logo for Compiz ... then why ask for a special compiz-fusion logo?[/quote:17239]

good question

at first i had the same question

but compiz-fusion is a project in itself, though not a seperate community as we had before

[quote:17239]Why can't there just be an extra forum on the [url=http://www.compiz.org:17239]Compiz[/url:17239] website especially for compiz-fusion and be done with it?[/quote:17239]
being set up :D

though both compiz and compiz fusion will share the same forum as they are essentially for the same thing and compiz itself does not need a forum as the official compiz ML and irc are used instead

[mahler]

before i reply further i will point out what i say here is not official, i am not part of the dev or support teams, but i do read the ML and i have been a very involved user since compiz quinnstorm

afaik, compiz and compiz fusion will be released seperately but in syncwith each other, i don't know much about what's gonna happen there, i'm sure time will tell (or a dev or support person visiting this thread :P)

also there is gonna be one site at compiz.org (or compiz-fusion.org, one of the two)
and opencompositing will either exist as a project completely seperate to compiz and compiz fusion or dissapear (again not 100% sure what's happening there)

[....]

but compiz-fusion is a project in itself, though not a seperate community as we had before

[quote:e6257]Why can't there just be an extra forum on the [url=http://www.compiz.org:e6257]Compiz[/url:e6257] website especially for compiz-fusion and be done with it?
being set up :D

though both compiz and compiz fusion will share the same forum as they are essentially for the same thing and compiz itself does not need a forum as the official compiz ML and irc are used instead[/quote:e6257]

Alright, so then the following is true?

Compiz (official website: http://www.compiz.org)

compiz-core (stable)[/*:m:e6257]
compiz-plugins[/*:m:e6257]
compiz-fusion* (official website will be: http://fusion.compiz.org or http://www.compiz-fusion.org)[/*:m:e6257]
* optional, and released seperately

And there will be ONE community forum: http://forum.compiz.org, which is now being setup
(to replace both the old compiz forum and opencompositing forum and will support both)

Perhaps you could post a link to the mailing-list discussion that you are talking about.

[delfick]

Alright, so then the following is true?

Compiz (official website: http://www.compiz.org)

compiz-core (stable)[/*:m:cca9c]
compiz-plugins[/*:m:cca9c]
compiz-fusion* (official website will be: http://fusion.compiz.org or http://www.compiz-fusion.org)[/*:m:cca9c]
* optional, and released seperately


I'm not sure, i think compiz-plugins is depreciated.....

as for official sites, we should wait untill everything is set up before we start saying where everything is.....

[quote:cca9c]And there will be ONE community forum: http://forum.compiz.org, which is now being setup
(to replace both the old compiz forum and opencompositing forum and will support both)[/quote:cca9c]

yes, there will be one community forum, i don't know where, we'll find out when it's all set up

[quote:cca9c]Perhaps you could post a link to the mailing-list discussion that you are talking about.[/quote:cca9c]

it's all over the ML and surrounded by a lot of bickering, and i can't find specifics on where the new forums and such are to be

i can't find a link to the mailing list atm, but i will in a bit and post here....

[delfick]

this here is June http://www.ubaight.com/pipermail/compco ... hread.html (http://www.ubaight.com/pipermail/compcomm/2007-June/thread.html) an incredible amount of that is bickering amongst the devs

fortunately we've moved past that, and it's starting to settle down :D

and we now have new mailing lists as the server died http://www.ubaight.com/pipermail/compco ... 01526.html (http://www.ubaight.com/pipermail/compcomm/2007-June/001526.html)

http://lists.compiz-fusion.org/

:D

[Jupiter]

compiz-plugins is deprecated AFAIK. Compiz comes with a set of basic
plugins built into the core. Compiz-Fusion is a set of plugins and applications
to extend the functionality of Compiz. They are however two different things.
We need to make sure we do not give users the wrong impression. And we also
should take care to recognize that the heart of this project is Compiz.

[mahler]

compiz-plugins is deprecated AFAIK. Compiz comes with a set of basic
plugins built into the core. Compiz-Fusion is a set of plugins and applications
to extend the functionality of Compiz. They are however two different things.
We need to make sure we do not give users the wrong impression. And we also
should take care to recognize that the heart of this project is Compiz.

So basically, my summary was correct except for the compiz-plugin's part?

[Jupiter]

compiz-plugins is deprecated AFAIK. Compiz comes with a set of basic
plugins built into the core. Compiz-Fusion is a set of plugins and applications
to extend the functionality of Compiz. They are however two different things.
We need to make sure we do not give users the wrong impression. And we also
should take care to recognize that the heart of this project is Compiz.

So basically, my summary was correct except for the compiz-plugin's part?

yep

[wfarr]

compiz-plugins is deprecated AFAIK. Compiz comes with a set of basic
plugins built into the core. Compiz-Fusion is a set of plugins and applications
to extend the functionality of Compiz. They are however two different things.
We need to make sure we do not give users the wrong impression. And we also
should take care to recognize that the heart of this project is Compiz.


Compiz-Plugins is part of the preferred and semi-official package naming scheme for Compiz (-Fusion).

[enigma_0Z]

W00t! It's not coral!!!!!!!!!!1!!1!!!1111!!one!!!

Seriously, this is such a better name that the ones in the (more than one?) poll(s)

[imported_ekerazha]

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=835&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=live+with+it&start=490#p8609 (http://forums.opencompositing.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=835&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=live+with+it&start=490#p8609)

That is incorrect. Compiz-Fusion is not JUST a set of plugins. It is a set of plugins AND applications.
These Compiz-Fusion applications will also need icons. CCSM, Fusion-icon "tray icon", etc...

Well... you can't really launch a "set", you can launch applications. If you have an icon for the window manager, the tray icon etc. you still don't need an application icon for "Compiz Fusion" just because it isn't an application, it is a "set" of what-u-want: this is the point.

[imported_ekerazha]

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=835&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=490#p8603 (http://forums.opencompositing.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=835&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=490#p8603)

Okay, you're right, but don't you think the term "core" can be used here only for the purpose of saying "hey, this is the logo/icon for the Compiz and not Compiz Fusion or anything else"?

Not really, because the name is "Compiz" and not "Compiz-core" (as I've already said). If you can't live with this, you should ask to David Reveman to change the name to "Compiz-core".