[SOLVED] Things that I miss from Beryl

[xavier]

I have use Beryl, I preferred it than compiz (I think Beryl is superior ... but I'm just a user).

Now I have download compiz-git from cyberorg (thank you cyberorg) that I think is the new CompCompiz (fusion of Beryl+Compiz, right?).

I miss these features:

- SuperKaramba appear on just 1 virtual desktop (I would like in all virtual desktop as in Beryl), bug?
- Shawdowns on menus and panels looks white (don't look as shawdowns) I think this is a bug (for now I've disabled them in decorator plugin).
- Move windows accross virtual desktops with the mouse
- Start rotating the cube using just the mouse wheel (pressing it or rolling it).
- The preferences front-end of the lastest Beryl is better (easier and more complete)
- A "beryl-manager" icon
- I prefer aquamarine than kde-window-decorator
- resize windows plug-in in NORMAL MODE is so slowly in my system, Beryl has more faster modes.
But also there are thinks that has improved.

I also thinkt the fusion was the right way.

Now I see more of Compiz than Beryl, I would prefer the inverse, more of Beryl but with the stability of Compiz.

My system is:

openSUSE 10.2, ATI RADEON 9100 IGP, open radeon drivers (Mesa 6.5.3), xorg73, AIGLX.

[Deciare]

- SuperKaramba appear on just 1 virtual desktop (I would like in all virtual desktop as in Beryl), bug?
You can force SuperKaramba applets to appear on all desktops by adding this matching rule to the Sticky section of the Window Rules plugin:
[code:6877d]class=Superkaramba & type=dock[/code:6877d]

- Move windows accross virtual desktops with the mouse
You can do that with CompComm. Have you enabled the option at ccsm->Rotate Cube->General->Edge Flip Move? The Desktop Wall plugin should be able to do the same thing with the ccsm->Desktop Wall->General->Edge Flip Move option enabled. Might you be not pushing hard enough against the edge of the screen, or not leaving your mouse cursor against the edge of the screen for long enough?

- A "beryl-manager" icon
There is a port of the [url=http://www.opencompositing.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=408&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=compiz+trayicon:6877d]Go-Compiz Tray Icon for CompComm[/url:6877d]... And even though I haven't managed to get it to work for myself (something about Python and GConf), it may work for you. I admit that the Beryl Manager tray icon was more functional, though, and I appreciated many of Beryl's startup options that don't exist in Compiz.


I don't have answers for the rest of the features you miss... I can only agree that I miss them too. They'll be back someday.

[Jupiter]

xavier please try to be more descriptive with your thread titles.
This will help all users having similar problems, find a solution.

Thanks
Jupiter

[adamk]

- Shawdowns on menus and panels looks white (don't look as shawdowns) I think this is a bug (for now I've disabled them in decorator plugin).

I've opened this up as a bug:

http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11268

[shame]

- Start rotating the cube using just the mouse wheel (pressing it or rolling it).
This is something more people are commenting on, hopefully this will be implemented sometime in the future (compcomm isn't released yet remember).

- The preferences front-end of the lastest Beryl is better (easier and more complete)
I preferred beryl settings but CCSM is ok when you get a bit used to it and the search feature is very helpful to save looking around for things (though might be even more helpful if searching actually searched the subgroups as well).

- I prefer aquamarine than kde-window-decorator
What's the difference? Aquamarine and KDE Window Decorator seem pretty much identical to me.

- resize windows plug-in in NORMAL MODE is so slowly in my system, Beryl has more faster modes.
But also there are thinks that has improved.
Again, I don't really see any difference, it may just not work well on your particular system.

I also thinkt the fusion was the right way.
The "merge/reunification" you mean. Maybe, remains to be seen.

Now I see more of Compiz than Beryl, I would prefer the inverse, more of Beryl but with the stability of Compiz.
On the surface it seems more like using beryl than using compiz to me and already seems pretty stable (only thing that has crashed it is the zoom plugin). But give it time, there is still work to do.

[Deciare]

One of the most important features that beryl-settings had that ccsm does not, I think, is the lack of a searchable list of keybindings for every plugin. It was so easy to pinpoint an action without having to know which plugin it belongs to, and so easy to find what keys were being used to what part of Beryl... I really liked the fact that you could search by the keys involved in the keybindings as well as the names of the actions.

Screen edges were also easier to configure with beryl-settings.

Compiz does have far superior window matching rules, though, for opacities, the Window Rules plugins, and other options that require them...

- resize windows plug-in in NORMAL MODE is so slowly in my system, Beryl has more faster modes.
Aren't there four selectable resize modes in ccsm? And there's a way to tell it which resize modes should use which windows, too. ^_^

- I prefer aquamarine than kde-window-decorator
What's the difference? Aquamarine and KDE Window Decorator seem pretty much identical to me.
Aquamarine had a KDE Control Centre module. I think it also allowed the user to choose the radius, opacity, and offset of the drop shadow, which kde-window-decorator doesn't seem to allow.

[xavier]

[quote=xavier]- SuperKaramba appear on just 1 virtual desktop (I would like in all virtual desktop as in Beryl), bug?
You can force SuperKaramba applets to appear on all desktops by adding this matching rule to the Sticky section of the Window Rules plugin:
[code:7fffc]class=Superkaramba & type=dock[/code:7fffc]
hmm ... I don't have this "Window Rules" in ccs-settings, I have installed the cyberorg rpms of compiz-git (do I really have CommComp or just compiz?)

[code:7fffc]- Move windows accross virtual desktops with the mouse
You can do that with CompComm. Have you enabled the option at ccsm->Rotate Cube->General->Edge Flip Move? The Desktop Wall plugin should be able to do the same thing with the ccsm->Desktop Wall->General->Edge Flip Move option enabled. Might you be not pushing hard enough against the edge of the screen, or not leaving your mouse cursor against the edge of the screen for long enough?[/code:7fffc]
wow! this is better! I don't have to use the kybd!

I don't have answers for the rest of the features you miss... I can only agree that I miss them too. They'll be back someday.[/quote:7fffc]

Thank you for your comments. We'll be waiting.

[xavier]

- Shawdowns on menus and panels looks white (don't look as shawdowns) I think this is a bug (for now I've disabled them in decorator plugin).

I've opened this up as a bug:

http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11268

Great! thank you. I'll try to help.

[xavier]

[quote=xavier]- The preferences front-end of the lastest Beryl is better (easier and more complete)
I preferred beryl settings but CCSM is ok when you get a bit used to it and the search feature is very helpful to save looking around for things (though might be even more helpful if searching actually searched the subgroups as well).[/quote:30f39]
I feel that beryl-settings is easier to configurate.

[quote=xavier]- I prefer aquamarine than kde-window-decorator
What's the difference? Aquamarine and KDE Window Decorator seem pretty much identical to me.[/quote:30f39]
the name is more ingenious? :p

[quote=xavier]- resize windows plug-in in NORMAL MODE is so slowly in my system, Beryl has more faster modes.
But also there are thinks that has improved.
Again, I don't really see any difference, it may just not work well on your particular system.[/quote:30f39]

I have just one option in the droplist: "Normal" (using ccs-settings).

In beryl there was about 3 options (I don't remember what are the names of the other options but I didn't use Normal because of the slowlyness).

[xavier]

One of the most important features that beryl-settings had that ccsm does not, I think, is the lack of a searchable list of
[quote=xavier]- resize windows plug-in in NORMAL MODE is so slowly in my system, Beryl has more faster modes.
Aren't there four selectable resize modes in ccsm? And there's a way to tell it which resize modes should use which windows, too. ^_^
[/quote:15908]
I just have one option to choose: Normal :s

[Deciare]

I'm confused. Are you using ccs-settings or ccsm? Most people prefer using ccsm, so if you're using the former, you might wish to look into it.

As far as I can see, ccs-settings doesn't have a dropdown list at all for Resize Mode. It has a slider that ranges from 0-3, with each number representing a different mode.

As for Window Rules missing, I think you may have installed CompComm using an outdated package... It's in the plugins-main module, and its internal name is "winrules".

[shame]

Aquamarine had a KDE Control Centre module. I think it also allowed the user to choose the radius, opacity, and offset of the drop shadow, which kde-window-decorator doesn't seem to allow.
You can change the shadow radius/offset/opacity for kde window decorator in the Window Decoration plugin settings.

[schoeggu]

i miss window blur, it's easier to read text in transparent windows. there is an option "focus blur" in compcomm but it it blurs (huh, is that the right word?) all windows, except the focused, but i dont really like it.

[xavier]

Hi,

Things got much better when I deinstall cyberorg rpms of compiz-git, and compile myselft compiz+plugins+... from git "oficial" repo.

Now I use ccms, not ccs-settings. ccsm is super!

The problem that remains is superkaramba.

I really apreciate the work of all of you.

[Jupiter]

Hi,

Things got much better when I deinstall cyberorg rpms of compiz-git, and compile myselft compiz+plugins+... from git "oficial" repo.

Now I use ccms, not ccs-settings. ccsm is super!

The problem that remains is superkaramba.

I really apreciate the work of all of you.

xavier please prefix the title of the thread with [SOLVED] by editing your first post in this thread.
For the superkaramba issue, please start a new thread in the appropriate area of the forum and
i may be able to help with that.

Thanks
Jupiter

[imported_Aaron]

i miss window blur, it's easier to read text in transparent windows.
It sounds like you haven't looked at "Alpha Blur." That is like the Beryl blur--except better-looking and a whole lot faster.

[schoeggu]

hmm i have it enabled... but i dont see a difference.. i'll try it again when i'm home.. thanks