Re: Compiz on the forum

[d_garbage]

The new name choosing method is almost final.
So these forums will survive with a new name, and it all should be great... ;)
One problem I see, that would be sooo easy to solve is this:

I suggest, moving the Compiz Forum link from "Archives" to the "Community Discussion" .

Now, when people goto "Compiz" they pop straight over to the compiz.org forum.

Then just do the same over there. Have a [NewNameHere] section on the Compiz forum which is a link to here.

That way we avoid duplication, and allow the two forums to compliment each other, hopefully making everyone happy.
And we all get to work together, and pool our talents - while keeping a healthy clarity of cultures/styles. Especially since it would mean the die-hards from the old arguments could get along in practice, without actually *appearing* to. heh sneaky bit of good 'ol diplomatic solution, eh?

Moderators, can we do this?
Thanks :)

[delfick]

the thing is there is no point in having both forums

stuff related to the compiz core is never really spoken about on the forums, that's all done in the MLs and irc, which only leaves the community side

and really there is no point in having two forums

and seeing as the compiz forums are already set up, it'd be easier just to move everything over there....

[d_garbage]

I can see where you're comming from, but there's more than just logic in this. having two linked forums seems to be about the best way to keep everybody happy.

[imnotpc]

the thing is there is no point in having both forums

stuff related to the compiz core is never really spoken about on the forums, that's all done in the MLs and irc, which only leaves the community side

and really there is no point in having two forums

and seeing as the compiz forums are already set up, it'd be easier just to move everything over there....
I think your point is valid, but your conclusion is backwards. You conclude that since Compiz doesn't need a forum we should close the CompComm forum? Huh? :lol:

A few of the many reasons this would be a bad idea:

- The CompComm forum is designed to accommodate Compiz, Beryl and CompComm users. The Compiz forum has fewer and different categories and would need a substantial revision to accommodate the volume and type of traffic that CompComm carries.
- The Compiz forum is an older version of phpbb with several nagging bugs and far fewer features.
- It is best to have the forum and the website on different servers so that a single failure wouldn't bring down the entire community.
- When the Compiz forum was busier there were frequent times when it bogged down and became slow/unresponsive. This seemed to be CPU/RAM related and php forums are relatively heavy users of CPU. An upgrade is possible but it would take some time.
- Good luck convincing Mike and Rico that the Compiz forum needs to support Beryl users.
- In the last 5 days there were 705 posts on the CompComm forum vs 79 on the Compiz forum. Even though it's only a couple months old the CompComm forum is 9x busier that the Compiz forum. Why close the newer forum that carries 90% of the combined volume?

That said, I'm not a big fan of the current CompComm theme and look forward to selecting a new name and logo so we can build a custom theme.

Jeff

[imported_MikeMLP]

You posted this, among other things on page 40 of the name poll, and I've reposted this again on the name poll, and the mailing list, but I think it might be worth reposting here for the purpose of clarification:


[quote:04282]Regarding the hosting of web pages, forums, etc., none of that was specifically decided ahead of time. The important theme was that each division could focus on it's specialty without interfering or taking away from the success of the other. There are obviously many conflicting opinions on how we should do this. Personally I would maintain the existing wiki on compiz.org with general information about the project and links to the repos and mailing lists. I would create a new user oriented site on newname.org which has user/community oriented features such as blogs and RSS feeds, and a combined forum would be linked to by both sites.[/quote:04282]



Note at the end - "...and a combined forum would be linked to by both sites."

If I read this right, Jeff's position is that there is to be a single forum for whatever this project is named and for compiz.org. At this point, I'm pretty sure that that particular point is something that everyone can agree on.

You also make some good technical arguments here as to why the single forum should be the one at opencompositing.org.

So as I indicated on the mailing list, what is preventing this from being the one and only compositing forum right now? What is left to be done? I don't think we need a name before this is done, so what is blocking the forum merge from happening? Is it technical? Is it politics? When will there be a single forum for compositing as has been indicated?

Edit:
I'm not harping on this because I'm impatient - things should be done in due time. I'm harping on this because people are taking the existence of two forums right now down the slippery slope and concluding that the idea all along was to have two forums, thus separating and dividing the community. At the very least, the correct information should be out there and repeated so that there is no confusion.

[d_garbage]

@Jeff You sound like someone who knows the backround a lot better than I, but the things you are saying there are exactly what my intuition has picked up over the last few weeks...

Having two forums is just going to sidestep a whole sh*t load of grief, because of the complex interplay of forces.
We are looking to bring those forces together - to produce a push forward. If we get it wrong, by not taking everything into account, then we could end up with everyone shooting off in different directions.

Regards,
David

[delfick]

the thing is there is no point in having both forums

stuff related to the compiz core is never really spoken about on the forums, that's all done in the MLs and irc, which only leaves the community side

and really there is no point in having two forums

and seeing as the compiz forums are already set up, it'd be easier just to move everything over there....
I think your point is valid, but your conclusion is backwards. You conclude that since Compiz doesn't need a forum we should close the CompComm forum? Huh? :lol:

yes, but as we've done before we can move.....

and it'll be worth it having everything on the same domain, less confusion to the common joe..

[quote:f1250]- The CompComm forum is designed to accommodate Compiz, Beryl and CompComm users. The Compiz forum has fewer and different categories and would need a substantial revision to accommodate the volume and type of traffic that CompComm carries.[/quote:f1250]

i have spoken to RYX about this and he is more than willing to add more subforums as more users use it

[quote:f1250]- The Compiz forum is an older version of phpbb with several nagging bugs and far fewer features.[/quote:f1250]

and it will be changed to phpbb3 in time

[quote:f1250]- It is best to have the forum and the website on different servers so that a single failure wouldn't bring down the entire community.[/quote:f1250]

that's why backups were invented

and since the harddrive crash, i'm sure these are made very much regularly

[quote:f1250]- When the Compiz forum was busier there were frequent times when it bogged down and became slow/unresponsive. This seemed to be CPU/RAM related and php forums are relatively heavy users of CPU. An upgrade is possible but it would take some time.[/quote:f1250]

damn....oh well :D lol

[quote:f1250]- Good luck convincing Mike and Rico that the Compiz forum needs to support Beryl users.[/quote:f1250]

there is no such thing as "beryl users"

there are people who use the software

[quote:f1250]- In the last 5 days there were 705 posts on the CompComm forum vs 79 on the Compiz forum. Even though it's only a couple months old the CompComm forum is 9x busier that the Compiz forum. Why close the newer forum that carries 90% of the combined volume?[/quote:f1250]

if it were said that the main forums were the compiz forums then everyone will move there, current and past usage stats for that site are an invalid arguement against what i'm saying here

and anyway, i'm not sure most people who posted on the beryl forums even knew of the comipz forums, or assumed that they were to do about the core or whatever

and for the record, it isn't about compiz core, there is no forum for that, and there is no need for a forum for compiz core.

[quote:f1250]That said, I'm not a big fan of the current CompComm theme and look forward to selecting a new name and logo so we can build a custom theme.[/quote:f1250]

we have a theme ?? lol

and we don't need a name......... :D

[RYX]

A few of the many reasons this would be a bad idea:

- The CompComm forum is designed to accommodate Compiz, Beryl and CompComm users. The Compiz forum has fewer and different categories and would need a substantial revision to accommodate the volume and type of traffic that CompComm carries.
You know that this would only take some minutes to be changed. This is no valid reason. I even agreed to do it several times on the ML and in the forums.

- The Compiz forum is an older version of phpbb with several nagging bugs and far fewer features.
You also know that we planned to change this once the forum-software is stable and people not lose parts of (or entire) posts due to bugs.

- It is best to have the forum and the website on different servers so that a single failure wouldn't bring down the entire community.
If we all would work together as intended, this would be changed in a few hours.

- When the Compiz forum was busier there were frequent times when it bogged down and became slow/unresponsive. This seemed to be CPU/RAM related and php forums are relatively heavy users of CPU. An upgrade is possible but it would take some time.
This is another thing which could be changed within short time - again, you know that, too.

- Good luck convincing Mike and Rico that the Compiz forum needs to support Beryl users.
What should that mean? If we are uniting then everyone is welcome. You are trying to create a totally wrong image of Mike and me here.

- In the last 5 days there were 705 posts on the CompComm forum vs 79 on the Compiz forum. Even though it's only a couple months old the CompComm forum is 9x busier that the Compiz forum. Why close the newer forum that carries 90% of the combined volume?
Compare the technical aspects of those posts and you end up with a 1:1 situation. If people were posting on compiz.org this forum would be quiet.

Jeff, it is really sad what ugly misinformation-campaign you are starting here. As you said - it was a big mistake to set up this forum without having a clear agreement before. There was no need to do it and a handful of people did it to satisfy their own wishes and illusions.

[davim]

I think the best solution is to keep every thing on the same domain/name (Compiz) and keep the compiz existing forums and add some new sub-forums, it will make every thing much simpler and it will keep all the community together :) The name compiz is already well known and the merge should keep it it will only make the comunity stronger. I really don't see the point in having tow names and tow forums for the same thing.

there could be sub-domains for things related with compiz like applicatios.compiz.org or something like that, in that way you could have a site (not a forum :P ) to show the work on the extra packages, something like compcomm.compiz.org (or whatever you'll call it )

I think this forums will only serve to feed some dev's egos :( , I think they are afraid that all the credit will go to the original compiz core team, but i really don't think that will ever happen!!!

[RYX]

:)

[RYX]

Don't you think this is censoring and no flamewar/insults? We had valid points against your position - that's why this topic has get locked. This is censoring and it is a scandal that this actually happened!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(btw: It is funny that this buggy QuickReply mod you installed now allows me to add this comment anyway ...)

:)

[RYX]

And better not delete my posts - I have made enough screenshots to prove this ;) ...

[davim]

lol this forums are chaotic...........

[delfick]

MLs are more chaotic :D :P

[nesl247]

RYX, the topic is unlocked if you haven't noticed, thank onestone for that. That's why you can reply, not because of bugs in quick reply.

[davim]

RYX, the topic is unlocked if you haven't noticed, thank onestone for that. That's why you can reply, not because of bugs in quick reply.

I don't think that's true, when I tried to post a reply it said that it was locked but I was able to reply using the quick reply...

[Jupiter]

RYX, the topic is unlocked if you haven't noticed, thank onestone for that. That's why you can reply, not because of bugs in quick reply.

I don't think that's true, when I tried to post a reply it said that it was locked but I was able to reply using the quick reply...

I am replying to this thread with no problem. I am also replying to this thread to say. What is wrong with
you people. If you are so hooked on getting rid of this site and using the compiz.org forum, then why not
just go post over there. Why do you guy's continue to come here and make such negative comments insisting
that your idea is the only valid idea. You are all starting to sound like Mike "i am always right and my way
is always the best way". You have told us your ideas. We know them. To continue to open more and more
threads doesn't change the fact that WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT YOU WANT. It is obviously not the best idea
or MANY people would be agreeing to it. Instead there is continuing disagreement no matter how many times
you guy's repeat your demands in thread after thread. For everyones sake STOP IT PLEASE. Get a new idea
and post it. Discuss it IN ONE THREAD. And if the majority of the people don't seem to agree to your idea,
then move along.

[delfick]

we keep replying in here because this is the publicly advertised place to speak about this stuff :D

also read the ML from this post and the the next few posts :D http://www.ubaight.com/pipermail/compco ... 01181.html (http://www.ubaight.com/pipermail/compcomm/2007-June/001181.html)

[RYX]

Thanks for re-opening this thread (even though you deleted the "flamewar/insults - locked" (and the other) post by nesl and now my comment seems a bit stupid ... :S).

@Jupiter: The thread was actually locked. If you don't believe me, ask iXce. I am not here to attack anyone, I just came here to discuss things - as everyone else does. And maybe you haven't heard, but there seems to be hope that all this chaos could come to a good end soon.

:)

[delfick]

ye, the thread was locked at the time

there was this cool little padlock icon on the post reply button ...

[some-guy]

I think RYX and nesl247 should work on moving all of the posts and the users from here to compiz.org and make fusion.compiz.org :D :D :D