Name Poll

[iXce]

Here's the long-awaited poll :)
The full question is : What should be the master name of the Window Manager stuff (plugins, decorators) from Compiz/Beryl merge?

5 of the top names (by mentions) have been selected, plus Nova which looked especially shiny. Sorry for the other suggestions, but technical restrictions (max of 10 options for the poll) made it hard to select more names.
The initial discussion can be found at viewtopic.php?f=46&t=478 (http://forums.opencompositing.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=478)

The poll will end at midnight UTC on the 11th of June 2007 (the midnight between next Sunday and next Monday).
The next step will be to get some artwork :) Artists, get ready!

** UPDATE **

The poll was reset with the addition of a new option, "None of these".

In the event that the votes for "None of these" outnumber all of the other votes _combined_, a new poll will be started with a new set of names.

Otherwise, the name with the majority of votes will be accepted as the winner (in the normal fashion).

We apologize for the reset of the poll, adding the "None" option was really necessary. Thank you for your comprehension.

Reset time : June 4th, 00:54 UTC +0200

[ammunix]

Is the poll over?

[Forlong]

So nobody cares about Coral already being [url=http://www.opencompositing.org/viewtopic.php?p=3187#p3187:fb726]taken[/url:fb726]?

Also... what's with the choice?
Where's the point of having this looong thread with all the suggestions that were even pasted to the first post when they don't make it to the poll?

P.S.
The poll has just been started, after about 1 week of discussion.
There has never been a real discussion in the other thread. Mostly because it was unwanted in the first place.
But there have been some serious arguments over three of those options here...

:|

[Deciare]

Technically, the name of that other project is the Coral Content Distribution Network, or CoralCDN, as it's abbreviated on the official Web site. "Coral" is used in a lot of places because "CoralCDN" can be quite awkward to pronounce in some circumstances, but it's not technically taken.

I have no problem at all with the other two alternatives that were suggested on the earlier thread in lieu of Coral: Choral, or Coryl. I would welcome either of those as warmly as I do Coral.

[shame]

I assume the names with the most amount of "seconds" have made the poll.
I hope it won't descend into arguments over what names were left out now we are so close to a final name.

Whichever name is chosen I have no doubt the arguments will continue for at least a couple of months til people get used to it (probably longer).

Anyhow, I've cast my vote - Fusion of course (my suggestion :D)

[iXce]

So nobody cares about Coral already being [url=http://www.opencompositing.org/viewtopic.php?p=3187#p3187:4a477]taken[/url:4a477]?


Well, check Deciare reply. And CoralCDN isn't at all about the same kind of stuff.


Also... what's with the choice?
Where's the point of having this looong thread with all the suggestions that were even pasted to the first post when they don't make it to the poll?


phpBB restricts poll options to 10 choices, I'd have been happy to put them all in there :(


P.S.
The poll has just been started, after about 1 week of discussion.
There has never been a real discussion in the other thread. Mostly because it was unwanted in the first place.
But there have been some serious arguments over three of those options here...

:|

There were some discussions anyway, and one could have obviously created other topics (and still can) :)

[Forlong]

Well, check Deciare reply. And CoralCDN isn't at all about the same kind of stuff.
Check their Logo. Or check the german wikipedia entry for [url=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral:d33aa]Coral[/url:d33aa].
And of course everyone says Coral and not "Coral Content Distribution Network" or something...
But mostly it's an open source project so I just think it's not cool to "take" their name.
Of course everyone is entitled in their own opinion but I think this issue should have been discussed more.
phpBB restricts poll options to 10 choices, I'd have been happy to put them all in there :(
So why didn't you put 10 on the list then? I think it's just a poor amount of choice.
IMHO there have been some cooler suggestions in the later postings that didn't get a chance.


Disclaimer: I like the name Coral per se and none of those "cooler suggestions" were mine - not that anybody thinks I'm just bitching out of personal motives.

[max]

I can't vote in this poll ? I've missing one thing ?

[iXce]

Well, check Deciare reply. And CoralCDN isn't at all about the same kind of stuff.
Check their Logo. Or check the german wikipedia entry for [url=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral:2a90c]Coral[/url:2a90c].
And of course everyone says Coral and not "Coral Content Distribution Network" or something...
But mostly it's an open source project so I just think it's not cool to "take" their name.
Of course everyone is entitled in their own opinion but I think this issue should have been discussed more.
phpBB restricts poll options to 10 choices, I'd have been happy to put them all in there :(
So why didn't you put 10 on the list then? I think it's just a poor amount of choice.
IMHO there have been some cooler suggestions in the later postings that didn't get a chance.


Disclaimer: I like the name Coral per se and none of those "cooler suggestions" were mine - not that anybody thinks I'm just bitching out of personal motives.

Because I wasn't able to choose among the 1 vote names.. >< nesl247 just reset the poll by adding a "None of these" option.

[zephir]

Finally after thinking on it an hour, I've changed my oppinion and voted Nova... because I love space more than minerals xD and because I would like to see artworks like this -> http://www.astrographics.com/GalleryPri ... GP0094.jpg (http://www.astrographics.com/GalleryPrints/Display/GP0094.jpg)

[Deciare]

Because I wasn't able to choose among the 1 vote names.. >< nesl247 just reset the poll by adding a "None of these" option.
I cast my vote before the poll was reset to zero, and now I can't vote in this new poll. It's possible that my vote is already counted into this new poll, but since there were 14 votes the last time I checked and now there are only 10, maybe not. Please look into it?

[jug]

There is no spoo... poll?

[shame]

Hmm, this is descending into chaos somewhat. So the poll is now gone, I assume it is being reorganised.
I don't think it's sensible to include every name that's ever been put forward into a poll but the more popular choices plus the "none of the above" should suit most people.
I'm thinking a single thread for discussion of a new name should have maybe been started a while ago as the the thread opened last week only seemed to attract a tiny fraction of the total membership of the forum.

But whatever, lets just get on with choosing a new name already!

[imported_lupine]

Chaos just doesn't cover it... apologies. It is being worked on! It seems phpBB doesn't like you modifying the original post on a poll thread.

/Nick

[ammunix]

changed my vote to Fusion :P btw how much time left till voting is over? I'm not good with time zones

[xplode_me]

Pffft fusion?

Oh, please.
No fusion here. Also, getting all the "merge" thing behind isnt really easy with naming it *fusion*.

Kthnxbye

[shame]

The merge was just one of things that made me bring up Fusion. I also think it has branding potential and is very sciencey sounding and sounds pretty cool.

The fact is, whatever name is chosen I don't think the merge thing is going to be behind us any time soon.
Beryl was running for several months and was still constantly being referred to as a "compiz fork" and even through the merge process, the "F" word cropped up time and time again.
The new project is going to be referred to as the result of the beryl compiz merge for some time to come...

[Deciare]

The name of a project can have a very significant impact on the first impression, thematic, and aesthetic potentials of a project. I don't think it would be wise to choose a name that is too strongly focused on a single meaning, evokes only one kind of mental imagery, seems to suggest one kind of leadership, welcomes only one kind of user...

A name should be open, able to mean as many things as you want it to mean, but still relate to the project on some thematic level to act as a guide, perhaps, as to where to start thinking about it.

A name should be a thing of beauty, admirable to people from all walks of life, all kinds of interests, and all ages.

A name should be as a living entity, that can grow and evolve and learn from everything it experiences and everyone it touches.

We do not wish to mean a few things to a few people. We wish to mean a lot of things to many people. At least, that's the way I see it.

[shame]

In response to coral being "taken" by another open source project, so are all the other names if you search sourceforge.

I think Coco could be hard to brand and still makes me think of clowns and coco-pops. When I see Blitz, all I can think of is World War 2.
Neither strike me as things of beauty.
I think all the others have great potential though.

[SmSpillaz]

To be honest, I'm actually supriesed that nobody has voted for coral yet (Even though it was mentioned about 23 times on the suggestion poll)

My vote is for 'Fusion' (Don't slap be over the back of the head). I was going to vote for Nova but 'Fusion' just has that catch. I wouldn't mind seeing either to be honest.

I'm certainly looking forward to the artwork, its sad to see a splash screen that says 'Beryl' when your're using compiz :D

[CryoGen]

None of these...

I still prefer Terra or Tellurix :D

But "None of these" is a cool name.. NOT : None of These, It's not Aqua neither Aero ! It's NOT . \o/
Bwahahaha

[megaslay]

my vote was for Coral
althought myself proposed to rename it Coryl, that is a name combination of the two merging projects (COmpiz/beRYL)

this name has the beauty of the corals and the fusion of the two projets name

[AdmiralTriggerHappy]

For me it was between Nova and Fusion, (being a Physicist a heart)

But we have this horrible Radio station here in Brisbane (Australia) called Nova and now I can't stand the name (ARGH!)

So it has to be fusion for me, it does fit well after the merger too, just think we could have nice Mushroom cloud as the logo.
We should also add an animation effect like a ThermoNuclear explosion and have the screen go up in a mushroom, it would be great for a shutdown or crash animation

[delfick]

in western australia nova 93.7 is awsome :D :D :D

[thepizzaking]

But we have this horrible Radio station here in Brisbane (Australia) called Nova and now I can't stand the name (ARGH!)

I have to agree, that's probably the same reason I ended up choosing Fusion. That radio station put me off the name. But I'm sure if nova does get chosen, within a week I'd like the name. Hmm, maybe we could call it Gold 104...

[imported_lupine]

Fission != Fusion. The first person to give thermonuclear branding is going to get 10,000 curies from me :p

I went Nova; it was that or coral, really, and i somewhat prefer nova...

/Nick

[shame]

Fission != Fusion. The first person to give thermonuclear branding is going to get 10,000 curies from me :p

In general I think fusion and fission mean the opposite but the mushroom branding could still stand :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_bomb

[SmSpillaz]

in western australia nova 93.7 is awsome :D :D :D

*Agrees*

Btw, what did you vote for delfick?

[SmSpillaz]

*Is tempted to create a new account to vote for fusion again*

[delfick]

in western australia nova 93.7 is awsome :D :D :D

*Agrees*

smart man :D
lol

[quote:1212a]Btw, what did you vote for delfick?[/quote:1212a]

"none of the above"

i'm not liking the combination names and the rest don't seem right...........

though i'm sure whatever is chosen everyone will get used to no matter how much they dislike it....take "beryl" as an example......i hated it. Now i don't hate it as much...

[ammunix]

Guys how much time till the voting is over?

[xplode_me]

June 11th

[ammunix]

[quote="xplode_me":f4390]June 11th[/quote:f4390]

Ok thanks

[imported_lupine]

Let's... try to avoid violent branding, eh? Please? K. Thanks.

/Nick

[DavidNielsen]

I don't really see what was wrong with the Compiz name so I think we should keep that.. if there's a violent uprising against just sticking to the name which was already heavily pushed by several vendors and has good brand recongition in the wider IT community (many articles in reputable IT magazines mention the Compiz name) - I feel it would be a shame to throw that away but if that has to be done then I like Nebular. Nebulars are possibly the single most beautiful thing in the cosmos and they give birth to the stars from which we came and to which we one day will travel - I kinda like the symbolism.

[delfick]

k then, things we should probably stay away from (in my humble opionion, i.e. i don't know what i'm talking about :P)

-- combination names of compiz and beryl
-- crystals
-- pretty space thingos
-- anything that is an object

we need something original, without going too nerdy ....(i.e. probably impossible :P)...........

[FuzZy]

i think there should be included more options - around 10 possibilities.

[ammunix]

Seeing as for now Fusion and Nova are in the lead, I'll give up my vote for Coral and vote the one I prefer which is Fusion (Nova is way, way too unoriginal!).

[shame]

Are any of the powers that be actually looking into any legal ramifications of these names?
As mentioned before, most, if not all these names are being used by some open source project or another. While there may not be any conflict of interests, I think it will be very sad if a name is chosen only to then find there are trademark issues or something and we have to start all over again.

[imported_karmapolice]

I don't really see what was wrong with the Compiz name so I think we should keep that.. if there's a violent uprising against just sticking to the name which was already heavily pushed by several vendors and has good brand recongition in the wider IT community (many articles in reputable IT magazines mention the Compiz name) - I feel it would be a shame to throw that away but if that has to be done then I like Nebular. Nebulars are possibly the single most beautiful thing in the cosmos and they give birth to the stars from which we came and to which we one day will travel - I kinda like the symbolism.
AFAIK Compiz will still be Compiz, the new name is just for the "3rd party" plugins and utilities made for Compiz.

[Znupi]

I voted for "None of these". Why? They are either really bad, or too general (produce millions of results on google). You (we) need to find a name that will stand out from the crowd. Fusion? C'mon, there are thousands of software named to something with Fusion. ColdFusion? Nova... the same. You get my point.

My suggestions would be (although they sound silly, I really think they're the best): Compyl or Beriz ... or any other such derivation, like Compryl, Berlyz, Bempyl, etc, you get the idea. That was just MHO.

[xplode_me]

Compryl and that kinda stuff suck.

Also, beryl gave million hits on google before beryl, and after the project, all you can find is beryl the WM.

KTHXBYE

[plun]

You (we) need to find a name that will stand out from the crowd. Fusion? C'mon, there are thousands of software named to something with Fusion. ColdFusion? Nova... the same. You get my point.


Yup... I have the same opinion. This is something really special and needs a really special name.

;)

[Deciare]

[quote="xplode_me":0917f]Compryl and that kinda stuff suck.

Also, beryl gave million hits on google before beryl, and after the project, all you can find is beryl the WM.

KTHXBYE[/quote:0917f]
Haha, "Compryl" sounds like a soda can that's been stepped on, or something. XD

The fact that Google is so eager to return search results on Beryl, the window manager, is testament to its uncanny ability to stay up-to-the-minute with the latest fashions.

[Deciare]

You (we) need to find a name that will stand out from the crowd. Fusion? C'mon, there are thousands of software named to something with Fusion. ColdFusion? Nova... the same. You get my point.


Yup... I have the same opinion. This is something really special and needs a really special name.

;)
Hear, hear! Nova is the name of an older release of the Linux distro I'm using. Fusion is in the name of uncountable weapons featured in uncountable computer games. Space and sci-fi motifs are extremely common in the computer industry. It would be nice to have a name that is more poetic, serene, even mystical.

[plun]

Nova is the name of an older release of the Linux distro I'm using. Fusion is in the name of uncountable weapons featured in uncountable computer games. Space and sci-fi motifs are extremely common in the computer industry. It would be nice to have a name that is more poetic, serene, even mystical.

The proprosed names sounds like McDonalds, Clock, Burger King and so on...

You forget "magic" as a nice name ... :)
A name from Narnias or Harry Potters world... 8)

[Deciare]

Then our course of action is clear...

[url=http://www.votenoneoftheabove.us/index.html:f576b]NONE OF THE ABOVE[/url:f576b]!! *marches patriotically* NONE OF THE ABOVE!! *raises a fist* XD

It's so convenient that there's a whole political campaign, even if it's somewhat of an old one, dedicated to this kind of ideal already.

[daedius]

Mmm, fusion powered X windows. That sounds so awesome to say. Maybe we can steal the logo from Back to the future? ;P The whatchamacalit.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux_capacitor tri glowy stick thing

[delfick]

i said this in the other name thread, but i'll say it here as well

if i just quote from ubuntuforums http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php? ... ost2781914 (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2781914#post2781914)

[quote="H.E. Pennypacker":2b929]Fusion? That's ridiculous. If you Google "Fusion," you'll find over 97 million results. How is this new project supposed to distinguish itself from other results, and stand out? Does anyone take name branding seriously these days?

It's unbelievable that a Google search is not even taken into account. The scientific community owns "nuclear fusion," something that will always produce more results than an open source project. In the software world, there's already something called Macromedia ColdFusion.

Nova (214 million Google results) seems to be even worse, although it is not as generic as the word fusion. Besides, its probably horrible from a UK perspective.[/quote:2b929]

[imported_andrea]

Yeah, what delflick said \"Fusion\" is probably the worst suggestion out of the above, I can\'t believe are voting for it. Plus fusion is the name of a car sold by Ford

Do we really want to use a program that has the same name as a ford car? ohhh i don\'t think so.

Think smart ppl, Coral i the logical sequel to the previous names.

[shame]

I'm still waiting to hear from someone regarding stepping on toes with these names.
I agree that none of the names are particularly original but most at least sound pretty cool.
I'm afraid the suggestions of merging the names together (compryl, beriz, coryl etc) all sound dreadful and like I said before, they all end up sounding like something found in toothpaste.

I get the feeling this is gonna go on forever, once a name is chosen there will be hundreds of "I hate the new name" threads and polls.
Voting none of the above will just result in a load of new suggestions which no-one will agree on.

This has been something that has plagued this project since the merge was announced and progess is being slowed down because nobody can agree on anything.

The best solution would of course be to come up with a completely original name but since no-one has mabaged to do that really we're left with what's here.

I suggest again, that someone takes a look at any trademark/conflict problems with the current suggestions now and if need be, start a new discussion, only allowing completely original names.

If all else fails, it should just be called compiz-addons or compiz-extras or something, while most people wouldn't like that (I wouldn't) the new project isn't a standalone thing and needs compiz to run, so therefore is an add-on really.

[delfick]

or we could just stick with compComm seeing as this isn't the actual window manager itself, but a collection of community creations that extend the compiz window-manager......

[Deciare]

But being tagged as a mere "addon" or "extra" does so much to downplay how much CompComm does for Compiz! In my list of active plugins, right now, 10 of them come from CompComm, whereas only 8 of them come from Compiz upstream! And among the 8 from Compiz, 4 of them are of the absolutely necessary variety--Window Decoration, Move, Resize, and Place Window--so I'm only using 4 optional Compiz plugins. Most of the functionality I'm getting out of my window manager comes from CompComm contributions. Surely calling the whole community "compiz-addons" doesn't do it justice.

Although I agree that Compryl and Beriz are names of a distinctly unappealing nature, I maintain that Coryl has a peaceful, magical feel to it. Would you dislike the name as intensely if you didn't know the alleged logic behind it?

[delfick]

names are officially annoying........ :D

personally I don't care, but at the same time i don't think a combo name does it justice.......

[Deciare]

How about a name that speaks of thousands of generations of entities prospering in harmony, thriving in cities built from the bones of their ancestors, whose beauty and unity has inspired song, folklore, and visitors from afar? Why, yes, I'm talking about corals. :mrgreen: Whether a name is a combination name or not is a matter of perspective.

But I am noticing that the temporary names of "CompComm" and "OpenCompositing" are causing substantially less conflict than the choices proposed in this poll, yes. CompComm's a bit awkward to pronounce and reminds me too much of Capcom, but OpenCompositing is a pretty good name.

[shame]

I agree with you, I would hate it to become compiz-extra/addons but I would also hate discussion of a new name to drag on endlessly.

Someone NEEDS to take another look at the names, there is already a Nova Window Manager, for example.

NOVA
Nova Window Manager - http://sourceforge.net/projects/novawm/
Nova Gnutella Client - http://sourceforge.net/projects/novap2p/
Nova GUI Toolit - http://sourceforge.net/projects/novatk/
Nova Gaming Engine - http://sourceforge.net/projects/novatools/
Nova IRC - http://sourceforge.net/projects/nova-irc/

FUSION (And I was the one that suggested Fusion)
Fusion OS - http://sourceforge.net/projects/fos/
Fusion Gaming Engine - http://sourceforge.net/projects/efusion/
Fusion IRC - http://sourceforge.net/projects/fusionclient/
Fusion Game - http://sourceforge.net/projects/steelfusion/
Fusion 3D - http://sourceforge.net/projects/fusion3d/

BLITZ
Game Creation System - http://sourceforge.net/projects/bosgcs/
PHP Templates Engine - http://sourceforge.net/projects/blitz-templates/
JavaSpaces - http://sourceforge.net/projects/blitzjavaspaces/
Blitz Messenger - http://sourceforge.net/projects/blitzmessenger/
Programming Library - http://sourceforge.net/projects/blitz/

COBALT
Cobalt ROM - http://sourceforge.net/projects/cobalt-rom/
Web Builder - http://sourceforge.net/projects/koboldproject/
Don't understand what it does - http://sourceforge.net/projects/cobalt-dna/
Security - http://sourceforge.net/projects/securecobalt/

COCO
Content Control - http://sourceforge.net/projects/contentcontrol/

CORAL
Coral Development Platform - http://sourceforge.net/projects/coral/

This is NOT extensive research, just a very quick search on sourceforge.
I'm not sure which, if any, of those would cause future conflicts/problems but it is an example of something that needs looking into.

Of the names, only Coral and Coco seem viable.

Once again, I appeal to the people in charge to take a look at the names now and if need be, disband this poll and start a new one with original names only.

I urge everyone to vote for None of these, or go with coral, which was the very first new name suggested during initial merge discussions, if I remember correctly.

[Deciare]

CoCo (with that capitalisation) is also the name of an extremely popular item in Gaia Online.

[imnotpc]

I'm also a bit concerned about the viability (or lack thereof) of some of these names. While I voted for fusion as the best available choice, there are a zillion different companies/groups/projects already using it. The same applies to coral and most of the other choices. None of those websites are available and in addition I'm worried that we may end up with a name that is simply not usable due to conflict/branding issues. While I think we need to select a name ASAP, I think we really ought to do some more research and evaluate these names before choosing one. I know that Fyda has done lots of work to review the different selections. Perhaps Fyda and a couple others could form a review committee to vette the proposed names and select a handful of the most popular ones that meet the legal/branding standard. In the mean time I happen to know a few patent/copyright attorneys and I'll try to get us a little gratis advice on this.

Jeff

[imported_andrea]

CoCo mean egg in french, thats not serious. Don't talk about CoCo anymore.

[cornelius]

I'm also a bit concerned about the viability (or lack thereof) of some of these names. While I voted for fusion as the best available choice, there are a zillion different companies/groups/projects already using it. The same applies to coral and most of the other choices. None of those websites are available and in addition I'm worried that we may end up with a name that is simply not usable due to conflict/branding issues. While I think we need to select a name ASAP, I think we really ought to do some more research and evaluate these names before choosing one. I know that Fyda has done lots of work to review the different selections. Perhaps Fyda and a couple others could form a review committee to vette the proposed names and select a handful of the most popular ones that meet the legal/branding standard.
I have to agree.

[Sythos]

I ack Forlong, CORAL is already used, no discussion about "CDN" suffix, in opencompositing area will be "coral composite desltop" alias "Coras CD" or something similar.

I prefer vote for a original name not already used, a recycled name generate confusion and pehaps some flame with who already used name...

[Fyda]

I had initially thought that Coral would be removed from the candidates, due to the namespace conflict, along with other similarly objectionable proposals. My vote is firmly for None of the above.

In an effort to keep close tabs on the suggestions and how many supporters each one had, I had gone through the entire Name thread collecting the proposals, as well as any complaints about them. It seems that I chose a bad time, as the poll was started before I could share any of that with the others.

I very much hope to help resolve these problems, as I don't believe some of these names should even be listed in the poll. This is what should happen if we get together a review committee, as suggested earlier:
While I think we need to select a name ASAP, I think we really ought to do some more research and evaluate these names before choosing one. ... Perhaps Fyda and a couple others could form a review committee to vette the proposed names and select a handful of the most popular ones that meet the legal/branding standard.

[LostinSpacetime]

Hi, I voted for none of the proposed names. I think Coral is nice but not really original. The other ones are far from original. I would really like a name that has some mystical touch. Or technical name with more fiction.. something that touches the imagination. I'm not good with that and the only name I came up was "holoGen" or "holoGenic" but I believe the community is able to come up with better stuff, especially with a NEW name. PLEEEEASE!!!

[Forlong]

I think none of the above is really the best choice in this poll.

It was a bad decision to take just the most popular names from the other thread.
There should have been a discussion over the proposals in between about what names are seriously considerable.
Like I said, there were valid concerns about at least three of the proposals and now it turns out there are even more.


I'd like to bring up [url=http://www.opencompositing.org/viewtopic.php?p=3187#p3187:92740]Chloris[/url:92740] again.
It's pretty original, a least I don't know about any software-related project with that name and it's meaning is nice for our project.
Also I like the sound of »compiz chloris«.

[kwaanens]

I'm getting really discouraged with the new forums, and this is the first "last drop".

# How is this poll official? How do we know that someone "in charge" doesn't down after the end of the poll saying, this name is not happening!
# Why is this poll undercommunicated to this extent? Where are the announcements? SmSPillaz posted a sentence abouth this in his blog, but no link. I had to browse through categories to find this poll, and I visit the forums every day! Currently there's still a link to the old "Name" thread, but no announcement of this poll. There are no announcements on beryl-project.org or compiz.org either.
# The names are rubbish! Coral?!? come on! Give me a break! Already in use, and too close to Corel (which incidentally was a Linux distro, bought by Xandros)
# The initial thread was clear that discussion was not wanted, and some of us respected that.

Getting a bit tired of the lack of user involvement on this project... Dissapointing!

"NONE OF THE ABOVE"

-- Ketil

[shame]

I don't see why coral keeps being marked as similar to corel. They don't mean the same thing and they don't sound the same, they just happen to look similar in writing.

Coral is the only remotely original one here but I think someone in an official capacity needs to kill this thread, start a new official one with some criteria for naming.
As I like the sound of Fusion, I realise it would be a very bad choice.

Please, everyone switch their vote to none of these before it goes too far.

I also notice the name poll has started off a new round of fights and arguments on the mailing lists. I honestly wonder at times whether there will even be an official project to name. This is really sad.

[delfick]

what we need is more people giving suggestions

which will give different suggestions

which means more possibility of a decent name

......

(or just stick with compComm :D......i mean, when people refer to the window manager, they're not gonna refer to it by the name given to the branch of plugins and apps created by the community, they'll refer to it by the name of the window manager, compiz (or they should))

and then say for referring to individual plugins and such under compComm, then they are noted as such........

remember peoples, we're not naming the window manager itself, just a collective name for the community contribution to this shiny window manager of ours......

[shame]

Hmm, compcomm just doesn't sound snappy enough to me. Although if I say it over and over again it doesn't sound so bad.

How about C3, short for CompCommCommunity ?? Maybe with a tiny 3 like O2.
Or ComCom (Like the TomTom, the GPS thing).

<EDIT>
Nope, comcom and c3 are also taken. Wow, this is harder than I thought :D

<EDIT>
CompComm is also taken: http://www.iucr.org/iucr-top/comm/ccom/logo_comp.html

If we look hard enough, pretty much any name we come up with be "taken" so we need some rules on what sort of thing is and isn't allowed.

[sgriso]

compiz is the best name for me.. it is already nkow..

[kwaanens]

I don't see why coral keeps being marked as similar to corel. They don't mean the same thing and they don't sound the same, they just happen to look similar in writing.

Similar?!? They differ in ONE letter out of 5. For non-English (language-wise) people, they SOUND very similar as well.
Remember Lindows? (Sounding so close to Windows they had to change their name)

- Ketil

[kwaanens]

what we need is more people giving suggestions

which will give different suggestions

which means more possibility of a decent name

Problem is, this thread states that in order for there to be another poll, "None of the above" needs to get more votes than all the others combined.
I'm still curious who authorised this poll.

- Ketil

[shame]

The difference is, Lindows and Windows SOUND identical but I do realise some people will also pronounce corel and coral identically.
But like I said, it is going to be almost impossible to come up with something that isn't being used somewhere in the world or doesn't look/sound very similar to something already being used.

[imported_lupine]

Seriously. We've been discussing names and stuff since before the merge, and we simply aren't getting any further on with it. Hence the move to get one *chosen*.

Coral's currently in the lead, which suits me ;), and yes there is the single namespace conflict (Corel is not - in any way, shape or form - a namespace conflict). But it's the Coral Content Distribution Network. We'd be the Coral Compiz Distribution (or whatever). So it's obvious from context what someone is going to be talking about.

"None of the above" was set up as-is in order to avoid disproportionate minority influence. Which, you know, is important to avoid. Democracy is /hard/ to do right.

English or not, Corel and Coral are pronounced /very/ differently. lindows and windows are pronounced very similarly. Check out the IPA.

NovaWM I *didn't* know about... but given that it's last release was an alpha in 2002, I doubt we have to worry too much...

At the end of the day, though, I expect people to be searching google for *compiz*, and then finding *distributions* of compiz like coral/whatever; mikedee's compiz-extra (assuming he keeps on with it); anything else that pops up; etc. It's important that we think that way, because despite all "our" stuff being incredibly cool and useful, it's not that much use without compiz. And our stuff is just one way of using the core.

So let's quit the bitching, grit our teeth and accept whatever name the community chooses (I was getting prepared for fusion winning, yesterday!) Democratic process, and stuff. Packages with the name coral in are likely to be all "compiz-coral-plugins-blah", anyway, AIUI (though this isn't completely worked out yet, that's the impression I got).

/Nick

[d_garbage]

Some thoughts:
It would seem that politics is a far more difficult thing than programming (and i can't even program so please don't expect this post to be too genius...)
If most people think that the poll is wrong, you could vote/switch to "none of these".
Would any of the names in the poll be a complete disaster, really?
If there turn out to be technical or legal problems with the name chosen, well, we could live, learn and try again. Trail and error.
Shouldn't the poll be well advertised so that as many people as possible get to take part before the week is up?
I look forward to having any name to call this new "thing" being crafted by so many talented people.
Thanks to everyone who has put work into this project.

[Deciare]

There's a risk of name space conflict for virtually any real word that exists, including Risk (strategy game), Conflict (strategy game), Space (television broadcasting network), Any (magazine), Real (media player), and Word (word processor)!

Context is extremely important to names and words alike, and I quite believe that no one will confuse projects being spoken of in entirely different contexts just because the names happen to be the same. When large companies encounter this problem... The buy or sue the smaller company who owns the conflicting name, then change the other company's product's name. :D That's a pretty unfair tactic.

If we wish to be completely original in the branding name space, we will likely have to delve into cultural histories, scientific taxonomy, backronyms, completely made up strings of syllables, or otherwise avoid contemporary language. But a name that's devoid of any (even slightly obvious) alluded meaning doesn't appeal to me.

Forlong's suggestion, "Chloris", has a known and agreeable meaning that is open enough to be extended to this project on a thematic level.

We could also use words that are closely derived from real words, but not exactly real words. The KDE project did so to come up with "Phonon" (the multimedia architecture abstraction layer), which is like a sound (phone/phonic/other words with this root) version of "photon", which is a real word (light particle).

[AiFiLTr0]

Sybil plz. No option there, but my vote goes for sybil. The best name, besides not taked already, as coral.

[imported_andrea]

There's a risk of name space conflict for virtually any real word that exists, including Risk (strategy game), Conflict (strategy game), Space (television broadcasting network), Any (magazine), Real (media player), and Word (word processor)!


Haha well said, so people please stop going like "oh this one is alrdy taken, this looks like this blabla".

Other than that there is a simple solution: some random guy, let's say a project leader, chooses a name.
Do you remember a world survey when they decided to choose "Windows" for the operating system?
Some people like the name windows, some others don't but wtf they still use it.

[jar]

Many Linux programs are acronyms for a longer phrase.
My name suggestion for the merger of Beryl/Compiz : Beryl And Compiz Harmonized = B.A.C.H. or just plain BACH

That way the hard work from both communities are also merged (harmonized) into the name.

[zephir]

My name suggestion for the merger of Beryl/Compiz : Beryl And Compiz Harmonized = B.A.C.H. or just plain BACH
It's not bad at all... but it is the name of a musician and compositor: Johann Sebastian Bach >_<

[jar]

It's not bad at all... but it is the name of a musician and compositor: Johann Sebastian Bach

I realized that the acronym matched the name of the composer J.S.B, but I did not think that he would mind, besides since Bach was a composer and one of the original names of the program was COMPIZ, I thought it was a cute malapropism. A musical composition is a work of (audio) art , and so is the Beryl/Compiz program a work of (visual) art, hence B.A.C.H. One could also pick up on the "Haromonized" as part of the inference to the composer Bach.

So that is my 2 cents worth, if the community likes it, great, I will be proud to have contributed to the suggesting of the name and having others also wave the banner. If not, well, at least I tried.

(:>))
jar

[Deciare]

You're right, BACH is really cute. ^_^ Though it didn't seem like much at first glance, the way you explained it did so much to make it insightful! This is exactly the kind of name I like to see: a name whose significance grows with every reference that can be drawn between it and any aspect of the project.

[fedalmor]

For now, IMHO Coral is the best... but I think I'll miss "Compiz", which was so cool! :|

[zephir]

I realized that the acronym matched the name of the composer J.S.B, but I did not think that he would mind, besides since Bach was a composer and one of the original names of the program was COMPIZ, I thought it was a cute malapropism. A musical composition is a work of (audio) art , and so is the Beryl/Compiz program a work of (visual) art, hence B.A.C.H. One could also pick up on the "Haromonized" as part of the inference to the composer Bach.

So that is my 2 cents worth, if the community likes it, great, I will be proud to have contributed to the suggesting of the name and having others also wave the banner. If not, well, at least I tried.

(:>))
jar

Wow, you've convinced me with this idea, maybe we can think more acronyms, even so since I've already said... Bach is not bad at all.

Err another thing I have to ask... what Admins and Creators think about all this "restart" suggested by many users?

<Sorry if my english are bad, but i'm so tired today and i'm spanish>

[imported_lupine]

For now, IMHO Coral is the best... but I think I'll miss "Compiz", which was so cool! :|

Compiz. Is still. Here. Before you can install coral/whatever, you will have to install compiz (obviously, nicely automated). Why is this so hard to understand?


Does it need to be huge?

/Nick

[delfick]

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php? ... ost2786895 (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2786895#post2786895)

[quote:e9e22]Someone please kill Coral. it sounds like a bathroom product.[/quote:e9e22]

:D :D :D :D :D :D

[Deciare]

A well-kept bathroom can be the cleanest and most organised room in a home, with ready access to first aid, personal medications, fashion accessories, waste disposal facilities, and more.

The comparison of Coral to a bathroom product draws interesting parallels to CompComm's effectiveness as a project that offers users new ways to organise, present, and decorate their desktops... Even breathe a renewed, vital interest into ordinarily unimpressive working environments.

[arthur_kalm]

Personally, I've been sitting here waiting for a name to be chosen so that it can be added to some repository and I can start installing it (rather then installing debs or using scripts). While a name is important, sometimes, most of the names up there will do just fine. People complain right now, but in a month or two you'll get used to it and will just stop caring. So please, lets choose a name and move one, thanks.

[sonicbhoc]

It's not bad at all... but it is the name of a musician and compositor: Johann Sebastian Bach

I realized that the acronym matched the name of the composer J.S.B, but I did not think that he would mind, besides since Bach was a composer and one of the original names of the program was COMPIZ, I thought it was a cute malapropism. A musical composition is a work of (audio) art , and so is the Beryl/Compiz program a work of (visual) art, hence B.A.C.H. One could also pick up on the "Haromonized" as part of the inference to the composer Bach.

So that is my 2 cents worth, if the community likes it, great, I will be proud to have contributed to the suggesting of the name and having others also wave the banner. If not, well, at least I tried.

(:>))
jar

Great idea! I like it. Plus it pays homage to a great man. ;)

[DarknessssenkraD]

So looks like it's going to be Coral...

[imported_andrea]

Yes it's going to be Coral.

[delfick]

A well-kept bathroom can be the cleanest and most organised room in a home, with ready access to first aid, personal medications, fashion accessories, waste disposal facilities, and more.

The comparison of Coral to a bathroom product draws interesting parallels to CompComm's effectiveness as a project that offers users new ways to organise, present, and decorate their desktops... Even breathe a renewed, vital interest into ordinarily unimpressive working environments.

have you got a degree in bullsh***ing ???? :D :P :D lol

[jar]

It's not bad at all... but it is the name of a musician and compositor: Johann Sebastian Bach

I realized that the acronym matched the name of the composer J.S.B, but I did not think that he would mind, besides since Bach was a composer and one of the original names of the program was COMPIZ, I thought it was a cute malapropism. A musical composition is a work of (audio) art , and so is the Beryl/Compiz program a work of (visual) art, hence B.A.C.H. One could also pick up on the "Haromonized" as part of the inference to the composer Bach.

So that is my 2 cents worth, if the community likes it, great, I will be proud to have contributed to the suggesting of the name and having others also wave the banner. If not, well, at least I tried.

(:>))
jar

Great idea! I like it. Plus it pays homage to a great man. ;)

You're right, BACH is really cute. ^_^ Though it didn't seem like much at first glance, the way you explained it did so much to make it insightful! This is exactly the kind of name I like to see: a name whose significance grows with every reference that can be drawn between it and any aspect of the project.

There seems to to be some positive feedback and acceptance of Beryl And Compiz Harmonized = B.A.C.H.

With that being said, what is the process of getting another name available as a voting option? Would "BACH" give "Coral" some real competition? I realize that I am more passionately in favor of BACH because I thought it up.

What ever name is eventually chosen, there is also then the decision of the URL to get to the project home page. Typing in "Beryl" into the address bar of FireFox takes one to the Beryl Project home page. Typing in "coral" brings up http://www.coral.co.uk. "Bach" results in a Google listing of J.S.Bach related web sites.

http://www.bach-project.org is an available domain, but then so is http://www.coral-project.org. COMPIZ and BERYL were great names because they were somewhat unique and easy to locate on the internet. BACH and CORAL both suffer from familiarity. Given the two choices (if the choice is offered in the poll) I would lean more towards BACH because of it's acronym origin and all of the other subtle inferences.

So, are the voting choices set in stone or can more be added by the project leaders if they like another possibility?

(:>))
jar

[zhwps]

Maybe the name could be called "CoBe", in chinese is "??“ !

[shame]

Despite putting forward some unoriginal names myself I wouldn't mind a completely original name being chosen but since coral was my second choice, it was the first name put forward during the merge talks and it has been the most popular in both the name threads, I think I can live with that.
The more I see it, the more I like it.

[SmSpillaz]

Just a question I would like to put out there to the people voting for Coral

Are you voting for Coral because you like it - or if you saw this new thing for the first time and did not know anything about Compiz/Beryl, you would vote for it?

Or are you voting for it because 'Coral' is a combo name of both Compiz/Beryl and we must reconcile.

Remember that this is a new project. Not really a merged one :D

[Photon]

Look at this list, guys: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minerals
Maybe a mineral would be better than Coral or B.A.C.H? There are many really well sounding names of minerals that are also quite unique, more unique then Bach however. :)

Beryl was a really good name with Aquamarine and Emerald as window decorators (both are just "subspecies" of beryl). We should choose a name which allows a well sounding nomination of window decorators/plugins/whatever else. That is unfortunately impossible with both Coral and B.A.C.H.

Somewhere there was a suggestion to name it Photon ;) but this name was already occupied by another project. But we still could call it after another elementary particle. For example Nucleon for the main project and Proton or Neutron for the window decorators and the other things. Or maybe other groups of elemenrary particles like Fermions or Baryons. :) Here is a list of all known elementary particles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_particles :mrgreen:

[shame]

Are you voting for Coral because you like it - or if you saw this new thing for the first time and did not know anything about Compiz/Beryl, you would vote for it?

Or are you voting for it because 'Coral' is a combo name of both Compiz/Beryl and we must reconcile.

Personally, although when said out loud, coral sounds like the first part of compiz and the last part of beryl, I think it is a nice name in it's own right.
Although fusion was originally my first choice, coral sounds pretty and is a thing of beauty and the thought of coral flowing in the water does make me think of wobbly windows.

[DarknessssenkraD]

CORAL = Composited Opportunity to Raise Awareness about Linux
WTF? :roll: iS THAT WHAT Coral means?

http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewtopic.php?t=5235
Please tell me I'm wrong...

[d_garbage]

I came across "Coral" when it was popular in the "name" thread. I thought, "Hmm, that's quite nice, good colourful visuals, quite neutral, has a kind of "ecological, green" aspect. I didn't notice the "compiz" + "Beryl" bit until someone mentioned it. It IS a slightly bland maybe, but then thinking about it - that may be its winning feature... it seems to be a name that would be many peoples' second choice. I think it does have good potential for visuals, and *shudder* marketing, it does seem to be something most people can at least live with. I think you (we? I hesitate to include myself, just being an happy user of Beryl but otherwise not contributing much) could do worse than go with it.
I feel a name is important in the sense of actually having one, rather than how wonderfuly well fitting that name is, not least because the packages are being held up for want of a name and i'm far too lazy to go find out what "git" is or how to use it, having lots of RL worries to handle at the mo...
Ever and again I would like to totally thank all those talented people who have contributed to this (free!!) project. I sit a lot (maybe too much?) at my computer, and Compiz/Beryl has been such a good thing for me. Just following the ups and downs of this community has become a fascination in itself.
I wish you (us?) all the best.
:))

[luciferin]

I voted for none of the above. The best one listed is Coral, but as has been discussed it is already taken. In my opinion Compiz/Beryl is getting a bad enough image from the whole mess this forking/merging is creating, we really don't want to add to it by stealing a name. If someone contacts the creators of CoralCDN and they give us their blessing that's another matter.

I'd like to put in a vote for Gem (from bushwakko on beryl-forums). It's nice, allows for easy naming of any derivatives, and has a pretty good acronym: Graphically Enhanced window Management.

[shame]

I've seen Gem mentioned countless times and never been particularly keen on it but when you put it like that - Graphically Enhanced window Management, it sounds good.

[xweber]

a long long time ago, "gem" was a name of a graphical desktop (...in the times of ms windows 1.0 and 2.0)

Alex

[imported_lupine]

CORAL the acronym is a joke. Hence the :p in the original thread.

/Nick

[shame]

How about some new ideas for a Coral acronym since it looks certain to win?

[imported_lupine]

Do we really need an acronym? Personally, I think they're generally a bit daft. Especially when forced.

And, you know, it doesn't have to win. People can change their votes until the end of the poll, after all.

/Nick

[shame]

It doesn't HAVE to have an acronym, I just thought it might be nice and might take thoughts of it being merge of compiz and beryl names.
Of course it might not win, it just seems likely (my vote is still for none of them).

[anditosan]

I think that the idea of making a "composite" name for the merging project by taking parts from one name and the other does not really work. Originality needs to be present and making a name out of compiz and beryl doesn't really seem to be as catchy as user would like.
In that case I propose to keep using mineral names since they bring good ideas. I summit to you the following names in order from the one I like the most and so on and also highlighting the pros and cons of using them

1. Sapphire (it can be linked to the Mac Browser Safari, but at the same time it deviates from it because they are not really related, and I think Mac user don't even care about the name of what programs they use to browse the net)
2. Quartz (This could be linked to the Quartz watches. But that image also brings the idea of shiny stuff, perfect and glossy, which are present in the new project)

I know that there already is a poll online with some names. But as I talk about them, they don't really seem to catch the attention of those whom I have talked with. I have done some research on it. I also proposed to them these two names and people chose sapphire over the rest. Please include this name in the poll and see what happens

[shame]

If Quartz were used I'm sure Apple would have something to say about it...

http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/quartzextreme/

[delfick]

CORAL = Composited Opportunity to Raise Awareness about Linux
WTF? :roll: iS THAT WHAT Coral means?

http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewtopic.php?t=5235
Please tell me I'm wrong...

i'd forgotten about that, apperantly is was a joke :D

though, another reason not to choose the name :D :P

[supertunaman]

I think that it should be called CompBerizyl! It makes perfect since!

[SmSpillaz]

I think that it should be called CompBerizyl! It makes perfect since!

/me dies

[michael.krog]

Why must the project have a name which seems unaffiliated with Compiz?

Fx. Apple has Quartz which evolved to be Quartz Extreme.

Everyone will need Compiz - but can upgrade their Compiz with <CompComm's new name>.
Maybe it would be easier for people to comprehend if it was called something like:
- Compiz Bach
- Compiz Extreme
- Compiz Fusion
- Compiz Cristal
- etc.


Dad: "Is this Compiz?"
Son: "Yes. The Bach edition."

instead of....

Dad: "Is this Compiz?"
Son: "Yes, but I also installed Bach"
Dad: "What is Bach?"
Son: "Bach is a project which extends Compiz with more plugins and features"
Dad: "---"
Son: "Plugins gives more functionality etc. and greater looks"
Dad: "I thought that was Compiz?"
Son: "Compiz also does that, but Bach has more."
Dad: "But it is still Compiz?"
Son: "Yes.. Its Compiz..and.. Never mind.. Its Compiz!"

[shame]

People have ruled out Compiz Extra | Addons | Plus | ++ etc (which I never liked the idea of anyway) saying CompComm is much more than just addons.
Compiz Extreme or Compiz Fusion would be great though.

What I don't quite understand is the talk about not using the compiz name because they want to keep core as a seperate thing but since the CompComm needs compiz and the packages are likely to be called something like compiz-coral-plugins-main or whatever how can they ever be seen as seperate?

I like the sound of Compiz Extreme and Compiz Fusion, though I think there will be much opposition.
That is now my fave proposal, with a new original name second favourite and Coral third.

[michael.krog]

[quote:66692]I like the sound of Compiz Extreme and Compiz Fusion.[/quote:66692]
Me too.

I really dont like the Coral one + ordinary people(Human beings lacking the nerd gene) will
most likely see CompComm and Compiz just as seperated as Beryl and Compiz were.
And then Beryl will be just as good as Coral etc. (Ordinary people perspective)

If CompComm where named Compiz <Something> those 2 projects would share a
lot of trust from the users. People trusting Compiz would also have some trust for
Compiz Extreme.

If they seem unaffiliated, we might instead start flamewars between users who dont
know that <Compcomm's new name> is indeed affilliated with Compiz.

[delfick]

[quote="michael.krog":b1481]Dad: "Is this Compiz?"
Son: "Yes. The Bach edition."[/quote:b1481]

one problem with that.....

a) this is NOT a window manager we are talking about
we are attempting to give a collective name to community created additions to compiz (plugins, apps, etc)
this is not a version, or edition, or whatever of compiz.....

b) i can't resist saying this... :D

Dad: "Is this compiz?"
Son: "yes. The quinnstorm edition"

[Klaatu]

hmm.... with all this talk about compiz being the root or this being the next edition of compiz, why not

Compiz II

morph that into compizii or better yet... compizzii

Then every time you take a bite of pizza you will remember and do homage to the project. :mrgreen:

[d_garbage]

Just came across this announcement from vmware, Its a new window manager type thing for virtual machines running on macs.

http://blogs.vmware.com/vmtn/vmware_fusion/index.html

also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMware_Fusion

oops! :roll:

[xplode_me]

VMware fusion is not a wm.

Also, coral sucks ass.
Also, compcomm is going to be called <insert-name-here>. will it include all plugins, even the essencial ones like move and whatnot?
I think i read that somewhere.

Cause if it is, its really stupid to call it appart from compiz.
"Ok, so let me install compiz"
"WTF it does nothing!"
"OH NOESZ!!!!!!!!"


I rest my case.

[shame]

If Fusion or any of the other "taken" names were part of a "Compiz Fusion" name, it no longer becomes a name as such, more a description, therefore doing away with concerns over it being taken.
(And I still get to say I was the one that suggested Fusion :lol: )

[Jupiter]

If Fusion or any of the other "taken" names were part of a "Compiz Fusion" name, it no longer becomes a name as such, more a description, therefore doing away with concerns over it being taken.
(And I still get to say I was the one that suggested Fusion :lol: )


hehe....
You have no shame, Shame.....LOL

I voted for Fusion and i agree with you. Compiz Fusion sounds HOT.

[chaosgeisterchen]

I'm fine with Compiz Fusion, but I would rather go for Coral as I like the word very much.

[sonicbhoc]

I think "Fusion" sucks. "Compiz Fusion," however, indeed awesome. Thus, I change my vote Fusion.

[Deciare]

I don't mind the idea of giving CompComm a name that has "Compiz" in it. It's actually something I've been thinking about after repeatedly failing to conceive of anything original. It's a very direct reference to Compiz, and also implies that CompComm is founded upon Compiz, so there wouldn't be any confusion as to why it makes sense for both projects to be installed. :)

Compiz Blossom and Seasons of Compiz might be nice...

Names that sound like they're derived from Compiz might work as well: Compizition, Tabula Compiza, and so forth.

a) this is NOT a window manager we are talking about
we are attempting to give a collective name to community created additions to compiz (plugins, apps, etc)
this is not a version, or edition, or whatever of compiz.....
Indeed. This is not a tale of two kingdoms laying claim to the same land, but of the settlers' lives long after the territorial dispute had been settled.

[shame]

Yeah, names Like Compiz Fusion and Compiz Extreme imply that it is something like a Compiz "Power Up"

How about Pimp My Compiz? :D

[megaslay]

I really like CORAL as a name for the raising new project, but is taken
so i suggested CORYL to the weapon of choice, but now a new name has hit my brain
i hope some of you like it a little....

what about CORALIZ or even CORALYZ ???

[shame]

Well I've started a new poll in my house and compiz fusion is just ahead of compiz extreme, compiz ultra and compiz ultima.
Though I'm the only one here at the moment.

[DarknessssenkraD]

Why is everybody talking about new names? I don't mind, but what about the poll, do you think the name that wins won't be used? or what?, As far as I know the name that wins it's going to be the new name. unless "None of these" wins.

I guess Compiz Fusion sounds cool, but Compiz Coral :roll:???

[shame]

I think the people talking about new names are the ones who voted None of these (me included).
Maybe we are hoping if a good enough suggestion comes up <cough> compiz fusion <cough> the poll might be re-thought.

[arthur_kalm]

Why is everybody talking about new names? I don't mind, but what about the poll, do you think the name that wins won't be used? or what?, As far as I know the name that wins it's going to be the new name. unless "None of these" wins.

I guess Compiz Fusion sounds cool, but Compiz Coral :roll:???

I think that democracy will determine the winner ;)

I like Compiz Fusion, but Coral is a good stand alone name.

[Deciare]

I tried, but the name Compiz is so difficult to work with. >.< It's pronounced oddly, and looks quirky enough to stand out unpleasantly alongside other words. And the word Compiz doesn't mean anything in and of itself, so it's difficult to attach meaningful extensions to it.

Comprizal, Canviz, Compiz Windfall, and a lot of other possibilities sound amateurish or pointless.

Compiz Fusion doesn't sound bad, but it's so reminiscent of tacking a fancy name instead of a number onto a newer version of the same thing. :| There ought to be something in the name that makes CompComm soundlike a wildly exciting, promising, new-chapter-in-our-lives kind of addition to Compiz...

[cornelius]

I don't know if any of this is important anymore, but I was thinking of the same thing, why are we dismissing the Compiz name? It is still the most important part, i.e. the core (although together with various patches from developers other than David Reveman). I was thinking of other possible choices like Compizity (Compiz Community), which also rhymes with Metacity :) However, I think

COMPIZ FUSION

sounds really cool, actually it sounds much better than the others on this poll. It emphasizes that this project is plugins, patches, setting managers, and other stuff built around Compiz, to make it more useful and more fun, and honors the original name chosen by the lead developer. Compiz Extreme sounds good too. Getting rid of the Compiz name will make it *look like* this is yet another fork and that it is something separate from Compiz altogether, and/or will lead some people to stay hostile towards this project. Oh well.

[Jupiter]

I have to agree with your point of view cornelius.

COMPIZ FUSION should get a chance to at least compete against the vote winner!!!

[delfick]

And the word Compiz doesn't mean anything in and of itself,

which is why it's a good name

[Deciare]

And the word Compiz doesn't mean anything in and of itself,

which is why it's a good name
I disagree. A string of arbitrary syllables gives the mind very little to work with when attempting to form any kind of impression or memory about the project. To someone who is not already familiar with the project, a nonsense name makes about as much sense as a series of erratic flares of lights and noises. It is forgettable and unremarkable.

I believe it's important to have a name that people, even new people, can readily identify with. A name that can be brought up in conversation and catch attention. A name that won't make the speaker sound silly to an audience who isn't in the know. A nonsense name is ill-suited to achieve any of that. But we're treading the precarious territory of personal opinion now.

[DarknessssenkraD]

OK, so please everyone, forget about Coral and vote for Fusion, so that we can have Compiz Fusion..... hahahahahahahahaha :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:......NO, REALLY PLEASE :mrgreen:

[cornelius]

OK, so please everyone, forget about Coral and vote for Fusion, so that we can have Compiz Fusion..... hahahahahahahahaha :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:......NO, REALLY PLEASE :mrgreen:
Agreed. No, really :D

[Skwid]

Meh ... Personally, I think it would be good to have a completely new name. And I like 'Coral' very much. I think using 'Fusion', 'Extreme', 'Ultimate', 'Premium', etc after the project name is so 1990's ... We can do better than microsoft ! :) I think that those suffixes have really lost their punch because we've seen them so much now ...

[delfick]

Meh ... Personally, I think it would be good to have a completely new name. And I like 'Coral' very much. I think using 'Fusion', 'Extreme', 'Ultimate', 'Premium', etc after the project name is so 1990's ... We can do better than microsoft ! :) I think that those suffixes have really lost their punch because we've seen them so much now ...

very much agreed

this be the reason i don't like them :D

[michael.krog]

Compiz Fusion!

I'm all for it too. :D

[SmSpillaz]

I really like CORAL as a name for the raising new project, but is taken
so i suggested CORYL to the weapon of choice, but now a new name has hit my brain
i hope some of you like it a little....

what about CORALIZ or even CORALYZ ???

/me slaps this person

We will not have 1337 names :D

[SmSpillaz]

[quote="xplode_me":c3842]VMware fusion is not a wm.

Also, coral sucks ass.
Also, compcomm is going to be called <insert-name-here>. will it include all plugins, even the essencial ones like move and whatnot?
I think i read that somewhere.

Cause if it is, its really stupid to call it appart from compiz.
"Ok, so let me install compiz"
"WTF it does nothing!"
"OH NOESZ!!!!!!!!"


I rest my case.[/quote:c3842]

Ever heard of packaging? The new project will install the compiz core and all the good new stuff :P

With regards to names like Compiz Fusion, I like the idea, but if 'Coral' wins, we should call it 'Coral : Based on Compiz-Core'

[CloudBolt]

and why is that? wasn't the idea of the merge to start freshly? so neither of the "old" projects should be contained in it's name.
because if you do, the old beryl community probably wouldn't like it. it's the same the other way around. and aren't we trying to merge communities here?
if you say it's based on the compiz core you should also state it's based on beryl plugins.

[delfick]

lol

let's keep the whole "these users will get pissed off because the other users are inferring stuff about us" thing in the corner and ignore it....it's childish and annoying.

[shame]

There ought to be something in the name that makes CompComm soundlike a wildly exciting, promising, new-chapter-in-our-lives kind of addition to Compiz...

Compiz Evolution or Compiz Evo?

I still prefer Compiz Fusion though.

f it looks like coral is going to win, all those that are voting Fusion could switch their vote at the last minute to None of these, then it gives Compiz Fusion a chance :D

[michael.krog]

I agree, shame.

I had voted for Fusion, but what I really want to vote for is Compiz Fusion.
I changed my vote to "None of these".

[xplode_me]

I wonder how the hell is coral winning.

I only see "i agree... ... fusion ...." etc.

Everyone who doesnt like coral and can now change their vote to the last option to show you dont like it.
I did it myself.

Bye

[Deciare]

I think you'll need a little more support than from Fusion's impressive, but not overwhelming majority of supports.

In the event that the votes for "None of these" outnumber all of the other votes _combined_, a new poll will be started with a new set of names.

Otherwise, the name with the majority of votes will be accepted as the winner (in the normal fashion).

[adamk]

[quote="xplode_me":4c1e9]I wonder how the hell is coral winning.

I only see "i agree... ... fusion ...." etc.

[/quote:4c1e9]

Because people who like coral (such as myself) voted for it but don't see the need to write a post saying that they voted for it, perhaps?

Adam

[shame]

Judging by the amount of posts, and the fact many people (like me) have made multiple posts, a large proportion of the voters haven't actually made a post at all so that explains it.

I think having a seperate name and seperating compiz from compcomm is also going to cause plenty of compiz/beryl style flame wars and animosity.
There will be those who just want a basic compositing window manager using compiz and those who want all the extra eyecandy using coral or whatever so there will still be 2 factions (maybe not but still possible).

Having compiz in the name could eradicate that also, everyone would be using compiz.

[allensaa]

Hi All,

First, I'd like to say thanks Shame, your repo kicks ass. I hold it equal to 3v1n0's repo, but it still kicks ass.

I only choose names I can play on, and voted for Coral.

Variations? Sure, I have them lined up. Coral R33F / Sharkfin / Sharkbait (hoo - hah - hah), and more.

SInce I come from Win32(ASM) and hate the NT Kernel, switching to GNU/Linux rendered me to be a graphics artist and Blender3D. Hey! Now that's a play on words...

[shame]

Thanks allensaa, I try my best :D

With 3 days to go I reckon it is now a 2 horse race, those who want coral and those that don't. So it looks like the only way to stop coral being the name name have to vote None of these.

[Vodkaneat]

Hmmm, I've changed my vote to from Fusion to "None of these" as I like "Compiz Fusion", although I can't help feel if we don't agree on a name soon it will just delay packaging... If something like "Compiz Fusion" did win - does that mean packages will be prefixed with something like compfusion or compiz-fusion?

[variant]

there is so much discussion about this and clearly a lot of people who don't like the existing choices that I think it should be opened up to other audiences.. like open a poll in the ubuntu forums so we can get a good sample of the people that will be using *projectnamehere* instead of just the few who have subscribed to this forum.

Just to cause further confusion, i will throw my opinion in here, i voted none of the above as I think a good name would be "Phidias", an ancient Greek sculptor, universally regarded as the greatest of all Classical sculptors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phidias

[Jupiter]

there is so much discussion about this and clearly a lot of people who don't like the existing choices that I think it should be opened up to other audiences.. like open a poll in the ubuntu forums so we can get a good sample of the people that will be using *projectnamehere* instead of just the few who have subscribed to this forum.

Just to cause further confusion, i will throw my opinion in here, i voted none of the above as I think a good name would be "Phidias", an ancient Greek sculptor, universally regarded as the greatest of all Classical sculptors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phidias

That's a horrible idea for the vote.
The people who truly care most about this project are the ones
who have taken the time and effort to create an account here.
And it is those people who should be rewarded with the chance
to contribute to the name selection. If you want to include the
Ubuntu or any other distro's user's, then i think making a post
in their forum pointing them in this direction is sufficient. If
they care enough about the project and it's name, they will take
the time to come join. Aside from the fact that Ubuntu is just ONE
distro. What about the other distro's that are no less important to
this project. Who will manage the polls in the different distro's
forums.

On another note. People keep in mind that all this eye candy "plugins"
DON'T work without Compiz. Compiz IS the base of this project. The
merge was between beryl and compiz-extra, not beryl and Compiz.
Compiz is now being updated to work best with this merged project.
We should be grateful and honored to include Compiz in the "name"
and give credit to David R. whom without his creativity this project
would not exist.

These are just my opinions as a Gentoo/Beryl user.

[shame]

If something like "Compiz Fusion" did win - does that mean packages will be prefixed with something like compfusion or compiz-fusion?
If it were named Compiz Fusion it wouldn't need a prefix to remind people what it was as it would actually be obvious what it was (which wouldn't be so obvious without compiz in the name and so would probably have a prefix).

Another plus for the Compiz Fusion/Extreme idea.

[imnotpc]

I have to say that I really like Compiz Fusion as well and I'm changing my vote to none of these. I know at one point David R. was against using the compiz name in a project that contained DE features (It's a long story, just trust me on this). I've just mailed him to see how he feels now. Personally I think we should have a runoff vote between Coral and Compiz Fusion".

Jeff

[imported_lupine]

"Compiz Fusion" is Fusion with Compiz prefixed.

It's important to remember that davidr doesn't want the community project to use the name compiz (hence why 'compiz-extra' was always going to be renamed anyway). Maybe we should respect his wishes? Perhaps? A little?

It goes without saying, to us, that $new_project is based on Compiz, but it is not Compiz. It should all be made explicit to new users of either project, but IMO the name isn't the best place to do that (our situation is somewhat different to TeX and TeTeX/LaTeX). Still, this is all democratic and stuff, so if people want to vote tactically, then you're welcome to go ahead... I'll be watching with interest.

Dishonest behaviour, on the other hand, will not be tolerated. Just a heads-up.

/Nick

[Deciare]

Oh, so the leader of the Compiz project doesn't wish to be associated with us by name? That certainly makes the decision to go with a name that makes no reference to Compiz whatsoever a little less controversial. ^_^

I was going to suggest another two names for Compiz <Something>, too... Compiz Harvest and Compiz Spectrum. Forshame!

But to be honest, I wasn't terribly thrilled with the word "Compiz" in the first place, so I suppose it's not a total loss.

[imnotpc]

Oh, so the leader of the Compiz project doesn't wish to be associated with us by name?
No, that's not the case at all. :-) It was more of a strategic decision that goes back to the original reason we decided to split Compiz-Core and Compiz-Extra, which was to keep the compiz name associated with a pluggable compositing WM that would work with any DE or Distro. That discussion took place 5 months ago (well before the merge) and a lot has changed since then.

Jeff

[upstaked]

there is so much discussion about this and clearly a lot of people who don't like the existing choices that I think it should be opened up to other audiences..
[ ... ]


That's a horrible idea for the vote.
The people who truly care most about this project are the ones
who have taken the time and effort to create an account here.
And it is those people who should be rewarded with the chance
to contribute to the name selection.
[ ... ]


And who might those people be..? I'm a compiz/beryl user for 8 months now, and only found out about this site tonight. And that by complete accident -- joining the beryl channel on irc, seeing the opencompositing channel reference, and there the topic.

variant is right in pointing out that the naming decision should've been exposed to a larger audience. Just look.. OpenCompositing forums: 1095 members. Ubuntu forums: 317,545 (and no, i'm not an ubuntu user) -- not suggesting the thread & poll should've been created on some specific distro's forums, but that this thread should've been duly advertised a while ago, maybe even e.g. negotiate with the ubuntu forum admins to make a sticky note on the homepage.

Later edit: just figured out this hasn't even been properly popularized on this here forum! It's less than 2 days before the voting ends and 300 out of 1000 members voted.... Really now, think there's only 300 people using beryl/compiz/compmgr out there that might have something to say about the naming?

Anyway, I registered only to make my vote on this, because i find Coral to be a *very* bad name. Casting aside it being used by another project, it represents a colorless immovable cluster of tiny creatures (they're only colored by algae, which are often discared by the coral because they suffocate it). And this is simply highly unsuitable for what compiz/beryl do. Colorless. Immovable. Come on....

I find Fusion to be a much better name: you relate instantly to nuclear fusion. And that *is* spectacular. It has a certain "mystique" to it, and last but not least, it represents what this project is: the merging of the 2 compositing window managers.

As a side note, imho people changing their votes from "Fusion" to "none" are doing the wrong thing -- this will ultimately cause "Coral" to win. Not good...

[delfick]

agreed, the poll should be nulled due to the small amount of people who've voted.....

we need some publicity about choosing the name......

[Jupiter]

And who might those people be..?
I think i made very clear who "those" people might be. And i also expressed that this is
my personal opinion. As well as you have yours. And we all know about opinions.

variant is right in pointing out that the naming decision should've been exposed to a larger audience.

Sure there is nothing wrong with that suggestion. And this being a community project maybe he,
as a member of this community who happens to use Ubuntu could have easily made a post in that
forum and rallied people to come join and vote.

Later edit: just figured out this hasn't even been properly popularized on this here forum! It's less than 2 days before the voting ends and 300 out of 1000 members voted.... Really now, think there's only 300 people using beryl/compiz/compmgr out there that might have something to say about the naming?
I beg to differ. I am sure the vast majority of people who read this forum are well aware of the vote. You can see
that the discussion thread alone has over 5000 views while the vote itself only has 300 votes....hmmmm
Some people have actually said they aren't voting because they don't care. And people who really care
and contribute to the project have been finding their way here.

Anyway, I registered only to make my vote on this, because i find Coral to be a *very* bad name. Casting aside it being used by another project, it represents a colorless immovable cluster of tiny creatures (they're only colored by algae, which are often discared by the coral because they suffocate it). And this is simply highly unsuitable for what compiz/beryl do. Colorless. Immovable. Come on....
You obviously are not very familiar with live coral. I have a salt water aquarium full of live coral. Some of it
moves around. All of it is very colorful. It is always changing and growing. It is beautiful to just watch while I
relax and feed them. My live coral is not covered by algae as i keep my tank clean. It is also impressive to see
the symbiotic relationship some coral have with some of the fish.

Nevertheless i didn't vote for the name Coral.........LOL
not that there is anything wrong with it

I voted for Fusion, so i guess there is something we do agree with....heh

P.S. Anyway, welcome to our site and thanks for voting.

[hanzomon4]

I posted the vote over on the Ubuntu forums a few days ago. I think it would be a disaster to move the vote to a distro's board especially Ubuntuforums.org because Ubuntu is really popular and users of other distro's would despise us, and this project, even more then they already do(us, not the project).

Here's what I suggest: Approach the moderates of some of the major distro's, with ok sized communities, and ask that they sticky a thread with a link to the vote here.

[/*:m:2615e]
I would also suggest that the more active users/testers get together with the dev team and do a private vote on the names to be used in the "open" vote. You get democracy with a little tinge of a dictatorship, a benevolent one..

[/*:m:2615e]
Last stay away from minerals, greek gods, and shiny things when considering a name. Think of the etymology of the word, think outside the shiny flashy box, and have fun[/*:m:2615e]

My 2

[delfick]

+1 to that

[arthur_kalm]

agreed, the poll should be nulled due to the small amount of people who've voted.....

we need some publicity about choosing the name......

But then we would have to wait _another_ week for a name which can be used in repos :(

[luciferin]

Well, I imagine if Coral is chosen then someone is going to have to contact the people who make CoralCDN and ask their permission before going forward with the name anyway. Either that or wait for them to find out and then take the 50/50 chance that they'll be fine with it with the risk of having to rename the project or get some bad karma. We'll probably have to wait at least week for anything official anyway.

[shame]

I've just mailed him [DavidR] to see how he feels now. Personally I think we should have a runoff vote between Coral and Compiz Fusion".
If he replies,cCan you let us know his current opinion?

I'm all for a Coral vs Compiz Fusion playoff too.

[Cisco]

Coral!!

[delfick]

agreed, the poll should be nulled due to the small amount of people who've voted.....

we need some publicity about choosing the name......

But then we would have to wait _another_ week for a name which can be used in repos :(

it would take more than a week !!!

but if it means we finally get a decent name then it's worth it....

[Forlong]

[quote="arthur_kalm":591d8]But then we would have to wait _another_ week for a name which can be used in repos :([/quote:591d8]
What's another week compared to a lifetime? :D


But I gotta say I'm somewhat neutral to the outcome of the poll by now. Delfick's right: this is just the community's name. So if the community wants a silly name, so be it. ;)

I'm going to refer to the whole thing as plain Compiz from now on and suggest to everybody out there to do the same.

[delfick]

So if the community wants a silly name, so be it. ;)

or not....

[quote:b76e4]I'm going to refer to the whole thing as plain Compiz from now on and suggest to everybody out there to do the same.[/quote:b76e4]

me too

i don't refer to a program by it's extras package, compiz will be no different

[oskar669]

I just flew over a few pages, and I saw nobody suggesting to keep one of the existing names!

I would at least consider keeping Compiz or Beryl in the name, since they have been so well established. I know it's not a third name change, but most people would perceive it that way. Two name changes for basically the same thing do not speak for the stability of a project.

Coral - sounds like a detergent
Fusion - naming the fusion of two projects 'Fusion' is more gay than 9 guys going down on 8 guys (not that there's anything wrong with that) :)
Nova - kind of acceptable, but a little bit megalomaniac

I know it's a difficult job. I just hope it will still include the name Compiz and/or Beryl - because millions of people already know it by those names.

[imported_lupine]

Delfick: A quoracy requirement might seem sensible in principle, but a quorate of what? All CompComm users (which ~= 0, given there's been no release yet)? All registered forum users? To put that in perspective: my University SU has a quoracy requirement of 2.25%. Yes. Two point two five percent.

This whole thing could be publicised more widely, it's true. However, I think a 1/3rd turnout over something as trivial as a name is pretty good. So let's just get on with it, eh?

/Nick

[Photon]

What I still don't understand: What is with Beryl? It has always been said that this new thing that should be named now is a merge of Compiz and Beryl. But now it seems that the core and generally the largest part of this merge will be from Compiz and the part coming from Beryl will be just some plugins. And also the names suggested here. Compiz Fusion, Compiz BACH, everything with Compiz but no letter from Beryl. I thing Coral is the best name suggested so far. Something from a rock like Beryl (though living corals aren't rocks^^) but also starting with a "Co" like Compiz. :mrgreen:

[iXce]

[quote="arthur_kalm":49657]But then we would have to wait _another_ week for a name which can be used in repos :(
What's another week compared to a lifetime? :D[/quote:49657]
One week? It's more than enough to postpone the actual decision again and again.


But I gotta say I'm somewhat neutral to the outcome of the poll by now. Delfick's right: this is just the community's name. So if the community wants a silly name, so be it. ;)
Actually it's just the name of a software.


I'm going to refer to the whole thing as plain Compiz from now on and suggest to everybody out there to do the same.
It's not plain compiz.

[iXce]

[quote=Forlong]So if the community wants a silly name, so be it. ;)

or not....

I'm going to refer to the whole thing as plain Compiz from now on and suggest to everybody out there to do the same.

me too

i don't refer to a program by it's extras package, compiz will be no different[/quote:a1419]

Just use compiz without the "extras" packages then, without libccs/ccsm and emerald. If it's no different, it's just ok.

[iXce]

agreed, the poll should be nulled due to the small amount of people who've voted.....

we need some publicity about choosing the name......
300 people voting sounds quite good imho...

[Forlong]

But I gotta say I'm somewhat neutral to the outcome of the poll by now. Delfick's right: this is just the community's name. So if the community wants a silly name, so be it. ;)
Actually it's just the name of a software.
...which is developed by a community. And that community will be called like the software (e.g. "Beryl community").
So in the end, the community gives itself a name.

btw: this is the first time the decision is discussed with the whole community (not just in the Beryl-forums, the Compiz-forums or the mailing list) at all! The name-thread should have been going on since day one of this forum, not just one week before the actual poll.
I'm going to refer to the whole thing as plain Compiz from now on and suggest to everybody out there to do the same.
It's not plain compiz.
I didn't say it was. I said I'm going to call it Compiz and just Compiz.
I'm afraid a lot of people will say "Look, I'm using Coral", "Coral pwns Vista", "Coral is teh gr8est!!!" etc. - which is wrong in my opinion.

That's what I mean, when I say the poll was too rushed. There should have been a proper discussion, what suggestions could be actually considered and why, instead of just putting some arbitrary suggestions in a poll.

[Guillaume86]

I don't like Coral, in french it sounds like a cheap detergent brand... Fusion or Nova are good :p.
Perhaps a second vote with the top 3 names of the fisrt poll will give differents results :)

[iXce]

But I gotta say I'm somewhat neutral to the outcome of the poll by now. Delfick's right: this is just the community's name. So if the community wants a silly name, so be it. ;)
Actually it's just the name of a software.
...which is developed by a community. And that community will be called like the software (e.g. "Beryl community").
So in the end, the community gives itself a name.

I've seen pretty much no developer ranting around here. They just all want a name, they don't care about it more than that afaik.


btw: this is the first time the decision is discussed with the whole community (not just in the Beryl-forums, the Compiz-forums or the mailing list) at all! The name-thread should have been going on since day one of this forum, not just one week before the actual poll.


Mostly because of some reluctant ranters (for the ml), and yeah I agree with you that it should have been discussed a lot more. But actually being unable to have a single package available because of the lack of a clear name is just awful, this issue has to be sorted out asap...


I'm going to refer to the whole thing as plain Compiz from now on and suggest to everybody out there to do the same.
It's not plain compiz.
I didn't say it was. I said I'm going to call it Compiz and just Compiz.
I'm afraid a lot of people will say "Look, I'm using Coral", "Coral pwns Vista", "Coral is teh gr8est!!!" etc. - which is wrong in my opinion.

It's not really better or worse than "Look, I'm Using Compiz" :/


That's what I mean, when I say the poll was too rushed. There should have been a proper discussion, what suggestions could be actually considered and why, instead of just putting some arbitrary suggestions in a poll.
You were free to start it from day 1, actually... But I agree with you, even though I have no idea on what we should do.. You know that postponing it will postpone the next parts of the process again and might not end before weeks...

[iXce]

I don't like Coral, in french it sounds like a cheap detergent brand... Fusion or Nova are good :p.
Perhaps a second vote with the top 3 names of the fisrt poll will give differents results :)
I prefer Nova over Coral as well (I'm French too), but I can't understand why it sounds like a detergent brand?

[Skwid]

Whatever the outcome of the vote is, I think we should get on with that ! We can't waste month deciding on a name, there are much more important things to take care of. And I think most people will love the project for what it is, and get used to the name. We should be glad to even have a say in the naming ! :) I haven't seen much of that in OSS before. Would I have voted for 'Beryl' if there had been a vote ? No. Did I get used to it when I started using it ? Yes.

Let's get this over with, shall we ?

[shame]

So now there's no beryl, emerald doesn't make much sense. When do we start voting on the new name for that too? :lol:

It seems the Fusion vote is now split somewhat. I'm thinking most of those wanting Compiz Fusion have voted None of these but many will still be voting Fusion (including those that want plain Fusion). Now I don't know which I should be voting for, I want Compiz Fusion so I chose None of these but now I don't know whether to change it to Fusion.

[Guillaume86]

I don't like Coral, in french it sounds like a cheap detergent brand... Fusion or Nova are good :p.
Perhaps a second vote with the top 3 names of the fisrt poll will give differents results :)
I prefer Nova over Coral as well (I'm French too), but I can't understand why it sounds like a detergent brand?
http://www.omo.com/ch/fr/produits/coral.php?id=2202
je savais pas trop comment traduire lessive en fait ...

PS: Je t'ai deja vu sur pcInpact non? Sur le forum beryl c'est sur :)

[Jupiter]

I agree with iXce and Skwid. Let's just get on with it and move on.

To delay this because SOME people want a different name and
think allowing MORE people to vote will help their cause, is only
gonna create MORE arguing about the name and, MORE people
unhappy about the front runner. This was intended to give the
users a chance to express their choice of name in a democratic
way. So now the minority vote is not happy and are coming up
with all sorts of excuses of why this is not a valid vote. Ask
yourself, would you be saying the same thing if your favored
name was in the lead. I personally didn't vote for Coral and
am not happy with it. But you know, we don't always get what
we want.

[arthur_kalm]

Exactly, let democracy take it's course and lets get some packages out :)

[Filiprino]

As the final name seems to be "Coral", I'm attaching an image of a real coral. It could be the base for a logo.

[DarknessssenkraD]

I can only say, there is this option "None of these" on the poll, if it is not winning it's because other option is, that's why it was added, and if Coral wins then I think it's fare enough, and I've voted for Fusion.

Let finish this date please! :lol:
[quote:b2180]The poll will end at midnight UTC on the 11th of June 2007 (the midnight between next Sunday and next Monday).
The next step will be to get some artwork :) Artists, get ready![/quote:b2180]

[iXce]

I don't like Coral, in french it sounds like a cheap detergent brand... Fusion or Nova are good :p.
Perhaps a second vote with the top 3 names of the fisrt poll will give differents results :)
I prefer Nova over Coral as well (I'm French too), but I can't understand why it sounds like a detergent brand?
http://www.omo.com/ch/fr/produits/coral.php?id=2202
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