please :: people wait before taking these forums too seriou

[delfick]

ok then, i'm sure nesl is just gonna delete this, but here i go

please people, don't take these forums seriously just yet, things are all over the place at the moment...

especially with nesl randomly getting rid of vbulletin (which someone payed for)

i'm sure it's a great gesture to be supporting opensource and all that........

but read the mailing list, this shouldn't be happening yet......

(somone post link to mailing list here please, i can't find one and have to go..)

[nesl247]

I'm not going to delete the post, there would be no reason to. I'm not some nazi like administrator here. And for all you who are saying that the forums were done prematurely, so was purchasing the vB license.

[xanas3712]

I agree, the license was purchased before any agreement was made. This can be reversed very easily, sadly that cannot. Yet another disadvantage of proprietary software.

[delfick]

after reading later posts of the mailing list, (assuming you tell the truth :P) i apologise for saying you deleted the vb forums.....


I'm not going to delete the post, there would be no reason to. I'm not some nazi like administrator here.


you were on the beryl forums :P :D :D

[quote:a74a3]
And for all you who are saying that the forums were done prematurely, so was purchasing the vB license.
[/quote:a74a3]

making this forum, including initially buying the licence, marking the beryl forums as read only, converting this to phpbb3, etc

is ALL premature

unless we have some kind of release of the merged code that can replace beryl 0.22 (and whatever version compiz was up to before the beginning of the merge)

then we make the new forum and start new

i also believe the old forums should be filtered (manually of course) for threads relevant to merged code

i.e. suggestions, bugs that still remain, documentation that doesn't apply specifically to beryl or compiz, etc

then we put that information into the new forums

release the new code

and THEN (and only after that point) do we mark the other forums as read only and open these ones

followed by a period of a few months where people can ask for particular threads to be taken from the read only threads to the new forums, after which, no threads will be merged, and people would have to start a new thread to continue an old thread

that is logical to me

(i'm sure it isn't logical to someone else, though that's fine, please tell me if you disagree here and why, just don't do it in a defensive way, that shits me when people do that, and the mailing list is full of it)...

[ianni67]

You guys go way too fast.

I do understand your enthusiasm, as I'm an enthusiast as well.

But my account was cancelled with the forum change (from VB to PhPbb) and my posts were deleted too.
If you consider a post and a user negligible, than you are on a wrong way, despite all those nice sentences you write on the mailing list.

I don't pretend to be considerable in this forum, as this forum is mainly a developers forum and I'm currently not contributing to the development. Yet, the opinion of a user who has been with Compiz before, and then with Quinn-Compiz and then with Beryl, and has spread wherever and whenever he could, the news about the existence and the convenience of linux and ... ehr ... opencomposite and its parents beryl and compiz, *should not, at least, be neglected*.

In my last post, yesterday, I was trying to put down some points about input redirection, as I feel that this aspect is crucial for this community. I put an effort in reading old posts in the Bery forum and in the COmpiz Blog, and resuming some facts.

This effort has gone. Fine, this means someting, to me.

[delfick]

You guys go way too fast.

I do understand your enthusiasm, as I'm an enthusiast as well.

But my account was cancelled with the forum change (from VB to PhPbb) and my posts were deleted too.
If you consider a post and a user negligible, than you are on a wrong way, despite all those nice sentences you write on the mailing list.

I don't pretend to be considerable in this forum, as this forum is mainly a developers forum and I'm currently not contributing to the development. Yet, the opinion of a user who has been with Compiz before, and then with Quinn-Compiz and then with Beryl, and has spread wherever and whenever he could, the news about the existence and the convenience of linux and ... ehr ... opencomposite and its parents beryl and compiz, *should not, at least, be neglected*.

In my last post, yesterday, I was trying to put down some points about input redirection, as I feel that this aspect is crucial for this community. I put an effort in reading old posts in the Bery forum and in the COmpiz Blog, and resuming some facts.

This effort has gone. Fine, this means someting, to me.


and so, nesl and others responsible for rushing ahead, read this, this is what happens when you blindly and hastly make these decisions

NOT a good thing

i will say this again dispite the annoyance my repetition must be causing

make the old forums writable again, get rid of these forums for the time being

then prepare thses forums as i described above, and then when the forum is ready and we have some decent code we can classify as a release, then we open these forums and mark the other forums as read only

please!

[adamk]

So you lost a post or two and you have to reregister your name. Oh, how unfair the world is.

Were they too hasty in publicizing these new forums: yes. But what's done is done. Crying about it isn't going to bring your posts back.

Ianni67, you say:

[quote:14ddb]
Yet, the opinion of a user who has been with Compiz before, and then with Quinn-Compiz and then with Beryl, and has spread wherever and whenever he could, the news about the existence and the convenience of linux and ... ehr ... opencomposite and its parents beryl and compiz, *should not, at least, be neglected*.
[/quote:14ddb]

How about spreading help and assistance to those on the forums and those in irc on #beryl. We could use more people handling support, and fewer people doing marketing.

Adam

[wfarr]

So you lost a post or two and you have to reregister your name. Oh, how unfair the world is.

Were they too hasty in publicizing these new forums: yes. But what's done is done. Crying about it isn't going to bring your posts back.

Ianni67, you say:

[quote:5c440]
Yet, the opinion of a user who has been with Compiz before, and then with Quinn-Compiz and then with Beryl, and has spread wherever and whenever he could, the news about the existence and the convenience of linux and ... ehr ... opencomposite and its parents beryl and compiz, *should not, at least, be neglected*.


How about spreading help and assistance to those on the forums and those in irc on #beryl. We could use more people handling support, and fewer people doing marketing.

Adam[/quote:5c440]

Hey, news flash: Being a prick when someone voices a valid concern isn't helping anyone!

The thought - it's just so novel!

[SmSpillaz]

Ok. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make the name of this domain something shorter. Its a PITA to type in right....

Also, just my 2c on the merging thing. Most of the posts in the Beryl forums do not apply to the new merged project. So there is no bother in keeping them. There will also have to be significant notification that the forums have moved to here otherwise we will lose MORE users.

Also, can we have a nice theme

(And have limitless avatar sizes and limitless Signature sizes.)

(Also, is there any way to have strikeout text in phpbb? or phpBB3?)

(Is this phpBB3?)

(And can we have our post count returned again... Thanks ;-) )

[wfarr]

This is phpBB3, and no your postcounts won't be merged unless he manually edits every user.

And to think yesterday I had a vB setup with all the Compiz forum users and posts imported and working before all this went down. :roll:

[ianni67]

Adamk, I won't take the same level of your post, as this could lead to a flame and this is _not_ what I want.

Marketing is not my business, my business is teaching. I teach my university students how to use and design computers and how to make some right choices in choosing and designing software.

Now, my complaint was not about my personal post, but about the way you operated. Which was pretty unfair. Expecially because I found written on this forum that the forum was deleted at a point when there was no risk to loose anything. Which was not true. You lost some posts and a lot of registered users. And this is not fair, nor professional.

You might want to apologise for your actions and *also* for the way you answered to those who complain. If you feel you're god just because you rule a forum, this is not a good place where to stay.

Uh - a last point. I DO help other people. Take a look at the beryl forum. I pointed out a number of issues and helped as much as I could. That's what I could do till now, togheter with "marketing". Which I would not neglect, if I was you.

[adamk]

Wow, back up the boat here... I am, in no way, a representative of the beryl, compiz, or open compositing development group. I am just an active member of the community.

As for:
[quote:8ab8c]
Expecially because I found written on this forum that the forum was deleted at a point when there was no risk to loose anything.
[/quote:8ab8c]

I have not read that they made this change because there was no risk in losing anything (though this may be posted somewhere). In another thread, nesl247 said:

Thus we decided to go this route while the forums really had no progress, as to not disrupt them.

In fact, the forums really did have no progress. Sure there were some posts, but it was either make the switch now when there would be minimal disruption, make the switch at some point in the future when the disruption would have been much more significant, or stick with vB which many people were unhappy with. I think they made the right choice.

Anyway, this thread does nothing but damage the appearance of the community. I've said my 2 cents worth, and will go back to helping users now :-)

Adam

[some-guy]

Ok. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make the name of this domain something shorter. Its a PITA to type in right....

I say maybe opencom.org and this site needs to be posted on the compiz forums. ;)

[arthur_kalm]

[quote=SmSpillaz]
Ok. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make the name of this domain something shorter. Its a PITA to type in right....

I say maybe opencom.org and this site needs to be posted on the compiz forums. ;)[/quote:fc811]

o_O, umm, why don't you just bookmark the website? And shouldn't your browser autocomplete URLs as you type?

[()va|_]

Ye, url sux.

I think u can do better :)

[ianni67]

[quote="()va|_":33999]
Ye, url sux.

I think u can do better :)
[/quote:33999]
Come on, don't you think there's something more important to do at the moment? ;-)
Adamk said something true: there's to help people with installing opencompositing and test bugs and so on. Lots of work, also, on debugging and developing.

And - mainly - in writing plane and clear information on this forum, about what's going on in the community, why are we here instead of Beryl (or Compiz) forum, where to find new versions of our beloved composite windows and window decorator manager, and so on and so forth.

My 2cents here is that we must not spend time in flames (yes, this is for me first ;-) ): we should do our best in order to keep our users with us and gain even more new users.

But, please, whoever has information, post them on the forum: the mailing list is good but past emails are lost for those who are not registered at the moment. Better resume some basic information here on the forum, preparing some Q&A section.

first of all: can anyone post (again!) the mailing list address?

[Storm]

http://www.rock3d.org/mailman/listinfo/compcomm

I tink this should be the mailinglist.
(I just searched in google ;) )

[delfick]

[quote="some-guy":f1335]
[quote=SmSpillaz]
Ok. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make the name of this domain something shorter. Its a PITA to type in right....

I say maybe opencom.org and this site needs to be posted on the compiz forums. ;)[/quote:f1335]

o_O, umm, why don't you just bookmark the website? And shouldn't your browser autocomplete URLs as you type?[/quote:f1335]


who says he uses the same computer all the time ??


http://www.rock3d.org/mailman/listinfo/compcomm

I tink this should be the mailinglist.
(I just searched in google ;) )


that's the one :D