what happened to vbulletin?

[gummybearx]

as the title suggests....
what happened to vbulletin. i kinda liked it.

[nesl247]

More people wanted phpBB3 (Including myself) over vB for numerous reasons. Thus we decided to go this route while the forums really had no progress, as to not disrupt them.

[xanas3712]

This one loads a little faster, I noticed that much.

[apokryphos]

as the title suggests....
what happened to vbulletin. i kinda liked it.

VB is not free or open source software.

[delfick]

as the title suggests....
what happened to vbulletin. i kinda liked it.

VB is not free or open source software.


your point ???

[wfarr]

as the title suggests....
what happened to vbulletin. i kinda liked it.

VB is not free or open source software.


your point ???

That among many of the people on the Web ML, Zealotry is preferred over good old-fashioned common sense. :?

[wfarr]

More people wanted phpBB3 (Including myself) over vB for numerous reasons. Thus we decided to go this route while the forums really had no progress, as to not disrupt them.


I'm glad that a biased poll was more than enough justification for you and RYX to basically redo a lot of work.

Really, bravo.

[Giblet]

Who cares. A forum is a forum is a forum....

If you want only the "best" look and feel, get an MSDN subscription. Microsoft does create fine user interfaces. Mostly. You will be sorely missed but we'll work through the pain and loss somehow.

There is a lot of work to be done to get a stable merge out the door and all the whining, shaking of teensy fists, and stamping of tiny feets won't get that work done.

I added a filter on the ML to eliminate any email containg "phpbb" or " vb". The ML is pretty quiet after that.

I just registered here. I thought there would be a ton of discussion about the code merge. No...just more whining about what forum software to use.

And whining about whiners....... Doh! Cue the 'whining about whiners who whine about whining' in 5..4..3..2..

[adamk]

Giblet, stop your whining please.

Adam

[Giblet]

Giblet, stop your whining please.


Sure! :D

(See how easy that is, folks?)

[gummybearx]

right... well i agree that this does load faster.
and....

Who cares. A forum is a forum is a forum....


this is very true

[Jupiter]

right... well i agree that this does load faster.
and....

Who cares. A forum is a forum is a forum....


this is very true

totally...

with that said......
to loosely quote someone in another post
i hope we see some people use the same passion shown here, to help others
once this is really going strong

[some-guy]

I think the posts should at least be moved onto the new one ;) , although i do like this better :D

[gummybearx]

<being non-partisan>
i hope that these forums have less of the "i use ati and their drivers are broken" that was in the beryl forums, and more concrete how-tos like the compiz forum had.

we ought to have a how-to section to prevent multi-posts
</being non-partisan>

dont take this as any knocks against beryl's forums, they just tended to have more questions than answers....

EDIT: i guess that was already done in CompComm Contrib..... oops

[nesl247]

@gummybearx, that usually happens when there is a lack of people to be able to give support. It's hard to give support to such a large userbase, when only a small fraction is capable of answering numerous difficult questions.

[gummybearx]

i understand that. i just hope that doesnt happen to compcomm.

[adamk]

It's going to happen. Till such time as compcomm runs out of the box without any extra configuration needed, users are going to be asking for help.

Adam

[delfick]

<being non-partisan>
i hope that these forums have less of the "i use ati and their drivers are broken" that was in the beryl forums, and more concrete how-tos like the compiz forum had.

we ought to have a how-to section to prevent multi-posts
</being non-partisan>

dont take this as any knocks against beryl's forums, they just tended to have more questions than answers....

EDIT: i guess that was already done in CompComm Contrib..... oops



if i quote my idea from this thread viewtopic.php?f=32&t=5&st=0&sk=t&sd=a (http://forums.opencompositing.org/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=5&st=0&sk=t&sd=a)

[quote:f31ee]
making this forum, including initially buying the licence, marking the beryl forums as read only, converting this to phpbb3, etc

is ALL premature

unless we have some kind of release of the merged code that can replace beryl 0.22 (and whatever version compiz was up to before the beginning of the merge)

then we make the new forum and start new

i also believe the old forums should be filtered (manually of course) for threads relevant to merged code

i.e. suggestions, bugs that still remain, documentation that doesn't apply specifically to beryl or compiz, etc

then we put that information into the new forums

release the new code

and THEN (and only after that point) do we mark the other forums as read only and open these ones

followed by a period of a few months where people can ask for particular threads to be taken from the read only threads to the new forums, after which, no threads will be merged, and people would have to start a new thread to continue an old thread

that is logical to me

(i'm sure it isn't logical to someone else, though that's fine, please tell me if you disagree here and why, just don't do it in a defensive way, that shits me when people do that, and the mailing list is full of it)...
[/quote:f31ee]

*wanting suppport* :D

[JonB]

right... well i agree that this does load faster.


We just need to see how it scales. ;) But whatever works.

I think the forum set up is fine for the moment until there is a sense of what people will be asking. Hopefully plug-in questions for stable code will be in one sub-forum and questions for unstable code will remain in another sub-forum. That will make it easier for people to search for "good" answers, rather than receive tips that no longer apply. A good wiki/repository will be a welcome addition - but walking before running has to happen. :)

It would be a shame to lose the sum of the accumulated knowledge - even though this might become less and less relevant - but what knowledge doesn't when the software and ideas progress? Sometimes it is good to know where you come from so you don't go there again. :)

[apokryphos]

That among many of the people on the Web ML, Zealotry is preferred over good old-fashioned common sense. :?

Which part exactly of 'this is an open source project and hence should support other open source projects when it can' would you describe as 'Zealotry'?

[SmSpillaz]

That among many of the people on the Web ML, Zealotry is preferred over good old-fashioned common sense. :?

Which part exactly of 'this is an open source project and hence should support other open source projects when it can' would you describe as 'Zealotry'?

I dont think you get what he means. He means that the whole "We're OSS so we should support other OSS stuff" should not get in the way of clear decision making of what is actually *better*

Anyways, I really don't want the forums to be changed *again* because I just did a super long post for the blog on this topic ( Note that the post I'm referring to IS the blog until we get a website up) (viewtopic.php?f=32&t=74 (http://forums.opencompositing.org/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=74)).
:D

[apokryphos]

I dont think you get what he means. He means that the whole "We're OSS so we should support other OSS stuff" should not get in the way of clear decision making of what is actually *better*

No, I understand exactly what he said, and it's what you've just mentioned (why do you think I haven't?). The problem here is that people who don't care at all about proprietary software have a different method for differentiating what is better. Presumably the developers and many people in the project (OpenCompositing) actually do think that free and open source software is to be preferred (presuming that this was not a whim decision -- hardly a bad presumption). That's all anyone has said in this discussion so far: that open source software is to be preferred; I just don't think any reasonable case can be made in this situation which would coerce the site admins to go with vbulletin (no-one has presented one).

It is not an indication of non-clear thinking, but simply different presumptions; I'd be interested in hearing where the logical leap is here that has lead you (or the other gentleman) to think that it was so.